Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video [W:212]

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MMC said:

Aw shucks.

and here I was just doing the.....a lil dab will do ya routine.

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Coming from the guy up the scroll who was miffed that "focus" was on the POTUS and SOS who might run for POTUS, you'll need more than a lil dab. Even then it is predictable that it won't do.

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Fenton said:

Reading your previous post, its pretty apparent that you assumed the WH's Lie was really just their not knowing because they lacked the data and the time to investigate.

They DID know. The know without a doubt it was a " Protest".

You contradicted yourself

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The writing is a bit unclear so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The point of posting Rice's testimony is they didn't KNOW much, said they didn't know much, which is why we had a series of investigations.

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Erod said:

Sadly, this doesn't get the attention it deserves because it doesn't have any racists or missing airplanes.

It is truly one of the most disgusting failures in our State Department's history.

But if Hillary runs, I think that could change. She's going to get swift-boated mercilessly, as she should already have been by the msm.

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What was the 'disgusting failure?' I'm serious - we've been attacked overseas many times, often with deaths, thousands of Americans have died by all kinds of methods. Our embassies/civilian facilities have been attacked repeatedly, with deaths. What is different about this event that makes it a 'disgusting failure?'

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Mithros said:

Really? You seem to be able to dismiss facts quite easily.

Bengazi was an impromptu attack by a widely disparate group of actors under the cover of and in response to the protests in Cairo sparked by an internet video. Them are facts. No it was not spontaneous, but nor was it planned more than a few hours ahead of time.

The fantasy storyline that this thread and the 500 other spammings are trying to push; namely that these were carefully planned attacks by al Qaeda operatives which the administration knew about but intentionally failed to prevent or respond to so that they could hide them in a goldbergian conspiracy to win a presidential election is ludicrous.

Yes, four people died. It's a horrible tragedy. But people who try and turn that tragedy into a political weapon so that their side "wins" are pretty terrible human beings. Ask yourself this question, why has the emphasis switched from Obama to Hillary? Obvious answer: Because the State Department headed by Clinton was more directly responsible for the safety of ambassadors. Though, I doubt the veracity of the claim that "the emphasis switched from Obama to Hillary. It seems that Obama and the administration's media campaign post-attack is the focus right now Could it be because this is a manufactured hit piece by the right wing to try and discredit the FAR more successful administration? This question seems out of place with your previous assertion that the focus is on Hillary. If the focus were on Hillary, this piece obviously wouldn't be to discredit the administration because Clinton is no longer a part of it. I also don't understand your implied comparison "FAR more successful." Who are you saying the current administration is FAR more successful than? To answer your question: no. I don't think reporting on some newly released emails is worthy of being called a "manufactured hit piece." Notice how the Democrats didn't use the complete failure of 9/11 as a political bludgeon? You're right, the tragedies democrats use for political bludgeoning are school shootings and anything that can be tied to racism

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Response in bold above.

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JasperL said:

The writing is a bit unclear so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The point of posting Rice's testimony is they didn't KNOW much, said they didn't know much, which is why we had a series of investigations.

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Except that they did know much, that night, and certainly before sending out Rice to the Sunday shows. In fact the contents of these emails that Judicial Watch secured through FOI detail that they not only knew much, but were actively coaching Rice not to share what they knew. They even had a list that involved blaming the attack on the well known video, as well as playing up the President's "strengths". As comical as that sounds at this point in 2014. When the public polling shows that our current POTUS has no perceived strengths. Not any more.

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MMC said:

Also lets not forget this isn't the first time for the Democrats and failing to secure and even know what the hell was going with an attack on US embassies. In which back then.....they said that this would never happen again. Due to all the New security that would be implemented.

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Your bias is showing through.

Deaths on attacks on U.S. facilities by Pres.

Reagan: 94
H.W. Bush: 0
Clinton: 223 (with 212 killed in Kenya)
W Bush: 49
Obama: 14 (including Benghazi)

List of attacks on diplomatic missions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Point is these attacks are relatively common, across parties, administrations, etc.

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JasperL said:

Your bias is showing through.

Deaths on attacks on U.S. facilities by Pres.

Reagan: 94
H.W. Bush: 0
Clinton: 223 (with 212 killed in Kenya)
W Bush: 49
Obama: 14 (including Benghazi)

List of attacks on diplomatic missions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Point is these attacks are relatively common, across parties, administrations, etc.

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Holy unrelated (but even more damning) factoid Batman!

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JasperL said:

What was the 'disgusting failure?' I'm serious - we've been attacked overseas many times, often with deaths, thousands of Americans have died by all kinds of methods. Our embassies/civilian facilities have been attacked repeatedly, with deaths. What is different about this event that makes it a 'disgusting failure?'

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How about conspiring to cover up their mistakes by blaming the entire incident on an internet video?

Beyond pathetic.

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JasperL said:

The writing is a bit unclear so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The point of posting Rice's testimony is they didn't KNOW much, said they didn't know much, which is why we had a series of investigations.

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What ?!?!

What's wrong with you people ?

"Our best information concludes that in FACT, this was not a pre planned pre-meditated attack "

If they " didn't KNOW much " then why didnt they just say so instead of deliberately LYING about the nature of the attack ?

Why did Hillary Clinton tell the Parents of the men who lost their lives in Benghazzi that " we will arrest and prosecute the man that made this video " ??

If "they didnt know enough" why wouldnt they have just told Rice to say the issue was still under investigation ??

You're not talking to a Obama supporter, you realize that don't you ? So I'm not going to fall for this BS story that they didn't know.

They DID know, immediately.

Its a sobering thought to realize that this Nation is filled with people who are more loyal to their political party than the truth.

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Filthy McNasty said:

Except that they did know much, that night, and certainly before sending out Rice to the Sunday shows. In fact the contents of these emails that Judicial Watch secured through FOI detail that they not only knew much, but were actively coaching Rice not to share what they knew. They even had a list that involved blaming the attack on the well known video, as well as playing up the President's "strengths". As comical as that sounds at this point in 2014. When the public polling shows that our current POTUS has no perceived strengths. Not any more.

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That's not in the emails. This was days after the attack - we didn't KNOW who, much less why, the CIA facilities were attacked. Early on it was blamed on at least three potential groups, and the FBI hadn't even made it on site yet to begin the investigation. We could GUESS, but we didn't KNOW anything about who or therefore why. I'm not sure we (the public) know WHY even now because the CIA activities were classified and I've never seen a description of what those classified activities were. Something important enough to draw the Ambassador to the facility despite it being unfortified, that much is clear, but beyond that it's speculation.

And "playing up the POTUS" strengths - this is politics, are you a bit surprised that politicians are political, or are naive enough to believe that this kind of talking point stuff hasn't happened since George Washington?

Just one more thing - someone mentioned the focus being on Hillary and Obama - that's fine. But it's odd, don't you think, that Petraeus is left out of all this? It was a CIA facility, doing CIA work, under State department cover. The dead included two directly on CIA payroll, but Petraeus didn't go to the memorial, to hide the CIA role. So given this, what was THE reason? You guys on the right tell us with certainty it was NOT the video - OK. So what was the motivation of a bunch of terrorists to plan that attack? Was it an act of terrorism, or more akin to an act of war, i.e. direct retaliation for what the CIA was doing at that facility? You all seem to KNOW a lot - so please explain.

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Fenton said:

"Our best information concludes that in FACT, this was not a pre planned pre-meditated attack "

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Oh come on - you can read, so you deliberately left out a whole bunch of verbiage about the investigation just getting started, we don't know, this is our best information at this time, etc. If you want to emphasize "FACT!!!!" you're not even trying to be objective - just yelling louder and pretending that proves some point. I quoted the exchange - go back and reread it.

They DID know, immediately.

Its a sobering thought to realize that this Nation is filled with people who are more loyal to their political party than the truth.

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That's hilarious. If the WH knew, then I'm sure you can tell me now why that CIA outpost was attacked. Why was it attacked? What were the CIA doing there? How much did the attackers know about what the CIA was doing? Was the attack about that or a random terrorist attack?

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tecoyah said:

Diplomat is spelled a bit differently than Ambassador......might want to read before replying:

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You're argument is that we have many diplomats die, so Benghazi is no big deal. That argument is stupid. Yes, "Ambassador" is spelled differently than "Diplomat." You might want to understand words before you use them. An Ambassador is a class higher in importance than the average diplomat. Only 8 US ambassadors have been killed in the line of duty in the entirety of US history, 2 of which were in plane crashes. There have been thousands of US ambassadors, many in some very dangerous places. A higher percentage of US presidents have been killed in the line of duty (4 out of 43) than US ambassadors.

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JasperL said:

Your bias is showing through.

Deaths on attacks on U.S. facilities by Pres.

Reagan: 94
H.W. Bush: 0
Clinton: 223 (with 212 killed in Kenya)
W Bush: 49
Obama: 14 (including Benghazi)

List of attacks on diplomatic missions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Point is these attacks are relatively common, across parties, administrations, etc.

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Oh really. :roll:


In both cases, Susan Rice was involved more than she would like to admit.

In the spring of 1998, Prudence Bushnell, the U.S. ambassador to Kenya, sent an emotional letter to Secretary of State Madeleine Albright begging for a more secure embassy in the face of mounting terrorist threats and a warning that she was the target of an assassination plot.

The State Department had repeatedly denied her request, citing a lack of money. But that kind of response, she wrote Albright, was "endangering the lives of embassy personnel."

A matter of months later, on Aug. 7, 1998, the American embassies in Tanzania and Kenya were simultaneously attacked with car bombs. In Kenya, 12 American diplomats and more than 200 Africans were killed.

Eerie similarities between Benghazi and Nairobi are many. A review of the attacks showed the CIA repeatedly told State Department officials in Washington and in the Kenya embassy that there was an active terrorist cell in Kenya connected to Osama bin Laden, who masterminded the attack.....snip~

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Also, the total injured was 400 and change thru-out the whole ordeal. Which would lead to the Somalia and then that Major disaster.

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Filthy McNasty said:

Holy unrelated (but even more damning) factoid Batman!

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You saw what I responded to, right? I'll requote it since you obviously missed it:

lets not forget this isn't the first time for the Democrats and failing to secure and even know what the hell was going with an attack on US embassies.

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It's a stupid point - there were at least 10 attacks during the W. Bush administration, several during Reagan, and Clinton. So making this kind of stuff partisan is dumb. I was merely pointing out with numbers how dumb. Don't blame me for responding to partisan nonsense.

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JasperL said:

You saw what I responded to, right? I'll requote it since you obviously missed it:



It's a stupid point - there were at least 10 attacks during the W. Bush administration, several during Reagan, and Clinton. So making this kind of stuff partisan is dumb. I was merely pointing out with numbers how dumb. Don't blame me for responding to partisan nonsense.

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You are right I did miss that. Sort of like you missed my reply to you in #55. In any case, I agree that making this partisan is dumb. Seeing a lot of that in this thread, no surprise there. So since you missed it before, let me "reqoute" for you.

JasperL said:

The writing is a bit unclear so I'm not sure what you're trying to say. The point of posting Rice's testimony is they didn't KNOW much, said they didn't know much, which is why we had a series of investigations.

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Except that they did know much, that night, and certainly before sending out Rice to the Sunday shows. In fact the contents of these emails that Judicial Watch secured through FOI detail that they not only knew much, they knew the attack was not related to a video. Yet they actively coached Rice not to share what they knew. They even had a list that involved blaming the attack on the well known video, as well as playing up the President's "strengths". As comical as that sounds at this point in 2014.

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Wiseone said:

You always prep before going on a national talk show regardless of what you are talking about which always involves remembering the core messages you are trying to convey.

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Of course.

But in this case the "prepping" came from the most politicized branch of the government with a president fighting for his political life; in need of propping up his failed Libyan policy in a case that strongly suggests the whole thing involved illegal arms sales into Syria who was in the process of being documented in serial lying to sell a faulty product to he could get elected.

THAT is not the place to get prepped when you presume to be a bi-partisan representing US interests to the world. Consider this; who the **** at the UN, in NATO, or any ally is going to believe this "ambassador" is anything more than a mouthpiece for the purely selfish domestic interests of Obama? This is domestic propaganda a la Nazi Germany, the USSR, or pre-invasion Iraq.

What is hilarious from this Liberal's standpoint how the bleat of the "progressives" has never altered from day one. Instead of answering the charges, they hide behind a veiled accusation of partisan attacks. Instead of the boasted "most open and accountable administration in American history" we are offered hiding behind a veiled dismissal of "old news" as each new revelation is somehow not news because the White House has deemed it so. Jay, Bagdad Bob, Carney is the face of honesty, decrying it's old "old news" status when we learned the president when to bed and slept fine as his gun running ambassador was dying in agony. It was "old news" when we learned there were rockets just lying there for the "spontaneous" demonstrators to gather up and start using in a rapture-driven frenzy of gratitude for their "liberation" at the hands of the Americans. It was "old news" when we learned there was help that could have been dispatched because it would look bad against Obama's policy. It was "old news" when we learned the stupid video could not have been aired there; and it is "old news" now that we learn that the White House deliberately manipulated a false message to the "international community" for purely partisan purposes.

But then, what difference, at this point, does it make?

If it's not a series of deliberate moves to deceive the American people then the Obama administration is the most incompetent regime in the history of mankind.....no other reason can there be for such a prolonged and patently false story.

Meanwhile, those same outraged "liberals" insist that every new sign up to Obamacare, every minor little success story be instant national headlines in every outlet and forum in the known universe.

Sorry, I simply can no longer believe anything out of the mouths of any Democrat, Obama supporter or other socialist in America.

Reputation is everything, a man's word is his bond, with Obama and his supporters their word is smoke and mirrors. Don't believe anything they say..

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Filthy McNasty said:

Coming from the guy up the scroll who was miffed that "focus" was on the POTUS and SOS who might run for POTUS, you'll need more than a lil dab. Even then it is predictable that it won't do.

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Oh did you think I was miffed.....nah, not at all. We just want all the supporting actors to play their part. :lol:

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MMC said:

Oh did you think I was miffed.....nah, not at all. We just want all the supporting actors to play their part. :lol:

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Nope, I was referring to someone else. The joker that was miffed about why the focus was supposedly "shifted" or shifting between the POTUS and SOS. As if those two ought not to be the "focus" of attention. Rather than say the janitor.

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Navy Pride said:

Four dead Americans might be a dead horse to a left winger like you, Obama and Hillary but not to most Americans.

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What percentage of Americans are still interested in Benghazi? Not many in my opinion.

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Carleen said:

What percentage of Americans are still interested in Benghazi? Not many in my opinion.

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Well really.....that Depends how much Libya makes the news. Since not many want to know about that failure in the first place.

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Filthy McNasty said:

You are right I did miss that. Sort of like you missed my reply to you in #55. In any case, I agree that making this partisan is dumb. Seeing a lot of that in this thread, no surprise there. So since you missed it before, let me "reqoute" for you.

Except that they did know much, that night, and certainly before sending out Rice to the Sunday shows. In fact the contents of these emails that Judicial Watch secured through FOI detail that they not only knew much, they knew the attack was not related to a video. Yet they actively coached Rice not to share what they knew. They even had a list that involved blaming the attack on the well known video, as well as playing up the President's "strengths". As comical as that sounds at this point in 2014.

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See my response to this at #60.

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Fearandloathing said:

What is hilarious from this Liberal's standpoint how the bleat of the "progressives" has never altered from day one. Instead of answering the charges, they hide behind a veiled accusation of partisan attacks. Instead of the boasted "most open and accountable administration in American history" we are offered hiding behind a veiled dismissal of "old news" as each new revelation is somehow not news because the White House has deemed it so. Jay, Bagdad Bob, Carney is the face of honesty, decrying it's old "old news" status when we learned the president when to bed and slept fine as his gun running ambassador was dying in agony. It was "old news" when we learned there were rockets just lying there for the "spontaneous" demonstrators to gather up and start using in a rapture-driven frenzy of gratitude for their "liberation" at the hands of the Americans. It was "old news" when we learned there was help that could have been dispatched because it would look bad against Obama's policy. It was "old news" when we learned the stupid video could not have been aired there; and it is "old news" now that we learn that the White House deliberately manipulated a false message to the "international community" for purely partisan purposes.

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Come on - that's been debunked about 30 times now. When you cite that garbage, you lose any credibility.

If it's not a series of deliberate moves to deceive the American people then the Obama administration is the most incompetent regime in the history of mankind.....no other reason can there be for such a prolonged and patently false story.

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False stories like non-existent "stand down orders" where the U.S. military deliberately let U.S. citizens die for political reasons.

Reputation is everything, a man's word is his bond, with Obama and his supporters their word is smoke and mirrors. Don't believe anything they say..

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But the right wing outlets that lied to you about stand down orders, etc. should be believed? Got it!

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Filthy McNasty said:

Nope, I was referring to someone else. The joker that was miffed about why the focus was supposedly "shifted" or shifting between the POTUS and SOS. As if those two ought not to be the "focus" of attention. Rather than say Petraeus.

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FIFY.

It was his facility, doing his work, two of his employees dead, the others with State department cover, but oddly no one mentions the CIA or the DCI.

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JasperL said:

Come on - that's been debunked about 30 times now. When you cite that garbage, you lose any credibility.



False stories like non-existent "stand down orders" where the U.S. military deliberately let U.S. citizens die for political reasons.



But the right wing outlets that lied to you about stand down orders, etc. should be believed? Got it!

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And not one link.

I think you missed the part where I said there have been too many lies for me to believe anyone from the left on this file.

Have a nice day

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MMC said:

Well really.....that Depends how much Libya makes the news. Since not many want to know about that failure in the first place.

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The failure has been proven. It was a grave mistake, but it is over. Time to move on which most Americans have done.