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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Nothing here points to administration lying either, except for talking points with no proof... In other words, bull ****. Like I said before, bring up Obama's trashing the Constitution by spying on Americans, and I will gladly join in calling for his impeachment. But Benghazi? There is nothing there, except for the pathetic attempts to turn the deaths of 4 people into a political football. Like I said.... Sick.
    A political football? The US President lied, as everyone should know, and refused to give consent to those waiting to assist those four men who died. It was Obama, right from the moment he knew what was going on, who made it political in an effort to save his election campaign. That you don't know about these lies puts you in a rather exclusive club.

    You should be more aware of what's been happening before you even take up space on this thread.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video [W:

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    Better to leave a tyrant that the US propped up when Iraq were conducting a war against Iran in place to abuse his own people? Enemy of my enemy is my friend? Well, as long as he's attacking my enemy I guess he's my friend. After he stops attacking, well, then I guess we'll see. Not friends, just interests.

    The left isn't immune to getting these types of hard international political decisions wrong either. Honestly I think that some of them are serious no-win situations, but yet a decisions need to be made.

    Why is it that the present president and administration were giving billions of dollars of military and other aide to Egypt while it was in control by the Muslim Brotherhood? After the administration pretty much caused the ouster of Hosni Mubarak? The Muslim Brotherhood which was known to be, already at that time, as an extremist Muslin organization? Hell, all you have to do is read up on their violent history to realize this.

    Yeah, a no win decision had to be made, especially after this administration supported the ouster of Mubarak. 20/20 hindsight says it would have better to leave him in there, and let the internal politics work itself out on it's own.

    I have to imagine that similar no win decisions for the support of various smaller countries with tyrants are also faced by the larger tyrant nations. Cuba and Russia during and after the cold war comes to mind.

    The US disengaging from the international stage is probably not possible, and if possible is probably not the best course of action for the nation. I'm just waiting for those in change of these international relationships and making these decisions to get smarter and take the longer view perspective into account.
    We simply supported the will of the people in Egypt, the idea that we could have stopped them by supporting Mubarak is ludicrous. The Muslim Brotherhood were elected to their positions in a free election. Are you saying we should have stopped that election too? Even when you twist the truth like that it doesn't come close to the blunders of the Bush administration. Bush invaded Iraq because he said they had WMD's that could threaten us. When her failed to find them he changed the mission to nation building and failed at that too. Now we have a Islamic state in Iraq that is sympathetic to our biggest foe, Iran. And we paid for that with over 4000 American lives and Trillions of wasted money. Nothing Obama has or would ever do comes close to the Iraq invasion which has already been described by historians as the biggest foreign policy blunder in 100 years.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    A political football? The US President lied, as everyone should know, and refused to give consent to those waiting to assist those four men who died. It was Obama, right from the moment he knew what was going on, who made it political in an effort to save his election campaign. That you don't know about these lies puts you in a rather exclusive club.

    You should be more aware of what's been happening before you even take up space on this thread.
    Romney tried that trick on Obama in the debate and do you remember what happened?

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    A political football? The US President lied, as everyone should know, and refused to give consent to those waiting to assist those four men who died. It was Obama, right from the moment he knew what was going on, who made it political in an effort to save his election campaign. That you don't know about these lies puts you in a rather exclusive club.

    You should be more aware of what's been happening before you even take up space on this thread.
    You have proof of that?
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video [W:

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    We simply supported the will of the people in Egypt, the idea that we could have stopped them by supporting Mubarak is ludicrous. The Muslim Brotherhood were elected to their positions in a free election. Are you saying we should have stopped that election too? Even when you twist the truth like that it doesn't come close to the blunders of the Bush administration. Bush invaded Iraq because he said they had WMD's that could threaten us. When her failed to find them he changed the mission to nation building and failed at that too. Now we have a Islamic state in Iraq that is sympathetic to our biggest foe, Iran. And we paid for that with over 4000 American lives and Trillions of wasted money. Nothing Obama has or would ever do comes close to the Iraq invasion which has already been described by historians as the biggest foreign policy blunder in 100 years.
    No, you are twisting nearly everything that I posted into what you want it to say.

    How about we don't get involved with the internal politics of other nations for a start. Would put a big cramp in the do gooder's and all their faux outrage, but I still this it'd a good move on our part.

    The US shouldn't have insisted that Mubarak's time was done and advocate his outster, which Obama and SOS Clinton did. Then Muslim Brotherhood came to power, and we should have cut off all aid. Of course the Muslim Brotherhood bullied Obama into keeping it coming.

    Credible intelligence from a number of independent corroborating sources that Iraq had and was stockpiling WMDs - so that'd be chem, bio, or nuclear. Most likely chem. He's used them on the Kurds already.

    I'm not here defending or supporting the decision to invade Iraq. Just pointing out some facts, beyond blame Bush, that some may have forgotten.
    The wisdom or lack of wisdom of that decision won't really be fully known for at least another 10 years, a lot of it depends if the Iraq nation can stand on their own 2 feet, and keep their own Islamic extremists and Baath party extremists under control. Guess we'll see.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video [W:

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    No, you are twisting nearly everything that I posted into what you want it to say.

    How about we don't get involved with the internal politics of other nations for a start. Would put a big cramp in the do gooder's and all their faux outrage, but I still this it'd a good move on our part.

    The US shouldn't have insisted that Mubarak's time was done and advocate his outster, which Obama and SOS Clinton did. Then Muslim Brotherhood came to power, and we should have cut off all aid. Of course the Muslim Brotherhood bullied Obama into keeping it coming.

    Credible intelligence from a number of independent corroborating sources that Iraq had and was stockpiling WMDs - so that'd be chem, bio, or nuclear. Most likely chem. He's used them on the Kurds already.

    I'm not here defending or supporting the decision to invade Iraq. Just pointing out some facts, beyond blame Bush, that some may have forgotten.
    The wisdom or lack of wisdom of that decision won't really be fully known for at least another 10 years, a lot of it depends if the Iraq nation can stand on their own 2 feet, and keep their own Islamic extremists and Baath party extremists under control. Guess we'll see.
    Why not just come out and say you do not care about Obama lying about having terrorists on the run and since his incompetence led to the death of 4 Americans a month out from an election - we need to forget about it and move on

    After all it is all about Obama all the time with some people and those 4 men were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video [W:

    Quote Originally Posted by JW Radcliff View Post
    Why not just come out and say you do not care about Obama lying about having terrorists on the run and since his incompetence led to the death of 4 Americans a month out from an election - we need to forget about it and move on

    After all it is all about Obama all the time with some people and those 4 men were simply in the wrong place at the wrong time
    I understand your position, and will agree that it has some merit. I dislike it when a president and his administration spins the truth so hard as to torture it (bold faced lying to the nation and it's people - he does this a lot), just to better his chances in the upcoming election. It strikes me as there is something fundamentally wrong about allowing that and not objecting to it.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video [W:

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I understand your position, and will agree that it has some merit. I dislike it when a president and his administration spins the truth so hard as to torture it (bold faced lying to the nation and it's people - he does this a lot), just to better his chances in the upcoming election. It strikes me as there is something fundamentally wrong about allowing that and not objecting to it.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video [W:

    Quote Originally Posted by JW Radcliff View Post
    About the size of it. Some leadership style, eh? How many of his own people has he thrown under the bus to protect is own ass?
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