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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Then I am sorry to say Wiseone, that you really must have separated yourself from society following that Sunday morning...Not very wise.....

    But that is just the point, they said just the opposite. They denied having anything to do with those talking points, and blamed it on the CIA...Now we find out that was a lie....And defenders of the administration like yourself still want to find even the smallest of cracks to try and wiggle through, like the fallacy of attacking the source....

    If you can't even be honest enough to admit that this makes the administration out to be the liars they are, then we really have nothing to discuss.

    That's Right JMac.....and the whole time BO was campaigning he kept crying and whining about being politicized. Yet.....2 days Prior.....they had his WH schedule up. With his trips planned to Florida on the 11th and then to stop in Vegas. Meet up with Harry Reid. Then onto West Coast Cali for some more Party time. After the attack. Immediately they pulled down the WH schedule.

    Couple days earlier AQ releases their Video calling on those in Libya to revenge al libi. Obama and Air Force one then left Florida and trekked west.

    So in essence BO gave us the hint when he was getting ready to debate Romney.....and he jumped with. Don't attempt to politicize the attack during a campaign. Yet here was Obama using a Campaign to get himself re-elected.

    To top it off then we have 23 Muslim Countries that rise up in protest all around the same time. To Protest our Embassies, Overseas Schools, Military installations, and Overseas Businesses.

    That's when they just went with the Anti Muslim excuse. Wherein over half of those Rioting knew nothing about a video.


    So truthfully it is more than just Benghazi......which is why all the confusion and giving Bo plenty of chance to play, duck, dodge and weave. Then Spin and deflect and then Do all to hold up any investigations into their actions.

    Bottomline was we were hit.....albeit overseas. But with impact on the Death of a US Ambassador. Also we were hit On Bo's watch. Yet Bo was off to busy Partying and raising that money for that Election.

    He was smart enough to deflect but not before he gave his ownself up. Thru his on words and hypocrisy as to not politicize such during an Election for Democracy. We can't have that. It shouldn't even be considered that he would do such a thing. All the while doing it.

    Also lets not forget this isn't the first time for the Democrats and failing to secure and even know what the hell was going with an attack on US embassies. In which back then.....they said that this would never happen again. Due to all the New security that would be implemented.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    The entire controversy, in my view, has 2 main parts.
    1. 4 dead Americans, one of which a respected ambassador were killed
      • Repeatedly asked for greater security, and were never granted such
      • State didn't want a 'heavy footprint' (security presence) at that embassy
      • It was obvious that on 9/11 anniversary the likelihood of an attack is increased
    2. After the event, in the heat of the rapidly concluding election, no bad news for the Obama administration must have been the mandate. Hence misdirection of quickly discredited memes that the administration put in talking point to present in the media, even though the truth of the attack being well coordinated and pre-planned was already well known to the administration shortly after the attack started.

    Now, for #1, it's a darn shame, but sometimes mistakes are made and there are errors in judgement. You learn from the event, and make policy and procedural changes to prevent a recurrence. Fine.

    For #2, I find it inexcusable that the administration, one again, lies to the public when politically convenient. Further, I find it dam frustrating that some would accept this as perfectly acceptable behavior. In my view, and according to my value system, it isn't. It raises the question as to what values the people hold who accept this as perfectly acceptable behavior.

    This part of the Benghazi issue is far from over, in spite of nearly everyone on the left wanting to bury it.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Can this thread be moved to conspiracy theories?

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by CycloneWanderer View Post
    I do believe that this topic is definably less dead than a certain four Americans...

    Too much? Don't let your embarrassment get in the way of rational thought, if you're capable of it in the first place.
    I find it irrational to create such an issue out of these four deaths and the government handling of it, when taken in the context of the hundreds of diplomats killed in the line of duty under far more questionable circumstances. I also see this as damaging for the future of the party, and rather embarrassing.

    The endless scandal hunt that began in the Birther movement paints a once formidable and proud party in the light of fourth graders playing "My Pop's Bigger than You Pop"....and it is sad to see.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    The entire controversy, in my view, has 2 main parts.
    1. 4 dead Americans, one of which a respected ambassador were killed
      • Repeatedly asked for greater security, and were never granted such
      • State didn't want a 'heavy footprint' (security presence) at that embassy
      • It was obvious that on 9/11 anniversary the likelihood of an attack is increased
    2. After the event, in the heat of the rapidly concluding election, no bad news for the Obama administration must have been the mandate. Hence misdirection of quickly discredited memes that the administration put in talking point to present in the media, even though the truth of the attack being well coordinated and pre-planned was already well known to the administration shortly after the attack started.

    Now, for #1, it's a darn shame, but sometimes mistakes are made and there are errors in judgement. You learn from the event, and make policy and procedural changes to prevent a recurrence. Fine.

    For #2, I find it inexcusable that the administration, one again, lies to the public when politically convenient. Further, I find it dam frustrating that some would accept this as perfectly acceptable behavior. In my view, and according to my value system, it isn't. It raises the question as to what values the people hold who accept this as perfectly acceptable behavior.

    This part of the Benghazi issue is far from over, in spite of nearly everyone on the left wanting to bury it.


    Mornin Eorhn and speaking of Mistakes.....this is where we hook Hillary up. Then on the 14th.....we can Hook up the WH.


    Sept. 13: ‘Clearly Planned’ or ‘Spontaneous’ Attack?

    Sept. 13: Clinton meets with Ali Suleiman Aujali — the Libyan ambassador to the U.S. — at a State Department event to mark the end of Ramadan. Ambassador Aujali apologizes to Clinton for what he called “this terrorist attack which took place against the American consulate in Libya.” Clinton, in her remarks, does not refer to it as a terrorist attack. She condemns the anti-Muslim video, but adds that there is “never any justification for violent acts of this kind.”

    Clinton: Religious freedom and religious tolerance are essential to the stability of any nation, any people. Hatred and violence in the name of religion only poison the well. All people of faith and good will know that the actions of a small and savage group in Benghazi do not honor religion or God in any way. Nor do they speak for the more than 1 billion Muslims around the world, many of whom have shown an outpouring of support during this time.

    Unfortunately, however, over the last 24 hours, we have also seen violence spread elsewhere. Some seek to justify this behavior as a response to inflammatory, despicable material posted on the Internet. As I said earlier today, the United States rejects both the content and the message of that video. The United States deplores any intentional effort to denigrate the religious beliefs of others. At our meeting earlier today, my colleague, the foreign minister of Morocco, said that all prophets should be respected because they are all symbols of our humanity, for all humanity.

    But both of us were crystal clear in this paramount message: There is never any justification for violent acts of this kind. And we look to leaders around the world to stand up and speak out against violence, and to take steps to protect diplomatic missions from attack.

    Sept. 13: At a daily press briefing, State Department spokeswoman Victoria Nuland was asked if the Benghazi attack was “purely spontaneous or was premeditated by militants.” She declined to say, reiterating that the administration did not want to “jump to conclusions.”

    Sept. 13: Clinton met with Moroccan Foreign Minister Saad-Eddine Al-Othmani. She condemned what she called the “disgusting and reprehensible” anti-Muslim video and the violence that it triggered. She said, “Islam, like other religions, respects the fundamental dignity of human beings, and it is a violation of that fundamental dignity to wage attacks on innocents. As long as there are those who are willing to shed blood and take innocent life in the name of religion, the name of God, the world will never know a true and lasting peace.”

    Sept. 13: At a campaign event in Colorado, Obama again uses the phrase “act of terror.” He says: “I want people around the world to hear me: To all those who would do us harm, no act of terror will go unpunished.”

    Sept. 13: CNN reports that unnamed “State Department officials” say the incident in Benghazi was a “clearly planned military-type attack” unrelated to the anti-Muslim movie.

    Sept. 14: White House Says No Evidence of Planned Attack.....snip~

    How do they get past the Fact Checkers and the Timeline? Whats actually needed is Politicians that know and will ask the Right Questions and not take all the time to Talk about themselves. While chastising Hillary. As it was clear she would take whatever chastisement knowing they could block and hinder things.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    The entire controversy, in my view, has 2 main parts.
    1. 4 dead Americans, one of which a respected ambassador were killed
      • Repeatedly asked for greater security, and were never granted such
      • State didn't want a 'heavy footprint' (security presence) at that embassy
      • It was obvious that on 9/11 anniversary the likelihood of an attack is increased
    2. After the event, in the heat of the rapidly concluding election, no bad news for the Obama administration must have been the mandate. Hence misdirection of quickly discredited memes that the administration put in talking point to present in the media, even though the truth of the attack being well coordinated and pre-planned was already well known to the administration shortly after the attack started.

    Now, for #1, it's a darn shame, but sometimes mistakes are made and there are errors in judgement. You learn from the event, and make policy and procedural changes to prevent a recurrence. Fine.

    For #2, I find it inexcusable that the administration, one again, lies to the public when politically convenient. Further, I find it dam frustrating that some would accept this as perfectly acceptable behavior. In my view, and according to my value system, it isn't. It raises the question as to what values the people hold who accept this as perfectly acceptable behavior.

    This part of the Benghazi issue is far from over, in spite of nearly everyone on the left wanting to bury it.
    It is not over nor should it be just because this administration and their fanboys and fangirls really really want it to be. For those types who as we can see just in this thread, since it is their guy and his administration on the grill? They suddenly want salad, if it must be on the grill that want it black and blue, maybe rare if they must be forced to the table. Of course if this were not their guy and his administration, they would want a long afternoon at a churrasco, serving extra large portions well done with scorching and a blackened crust.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Can this thread be moved to conspiracy theories?
    Why.....Fact Check. Org. Politifact......and even overseas news sources, are hard to get around.....huh?

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by tecoyah View Post
    I find it irrational to create such an issue out of these four deaths and the government handling of it, when taken in the context of the hundreds of diplomats killed in the line of duty under far more questionable circumstances. I also see this as damaging for the future of the party, and rather embarrassing.

    The endless scandal hunt that began in the Birther movement paints a once formidable and proud party in the light of fourth graders playing "My Pop's Bigger than You Pop"....and it is sad to see.
    Oh Really?

    Chris Stevens, Libya, 2012 | Before Libya: U.S. Ambassadors Who Have Died in the Line of Duty | TIME.com

    "The U.S. ambassador to Libya, J. Christopher Stevens, was killed on Sept. 11 after protesters swarmed the U.S. consulate in the town of Benghazi. He was rushed to the hospital but later died of severe asphyxiation, presumably due to smoke inhalation. Stevens, a career diplomat who was appointed to the ambassadorial position by the Senate in June, was helping to evacuate staff from the building when the attack broke out. Gunmen led the charge, riddling the compound with machine guns and rocket-propelled grenades, leaving only a burned-out shell of a building. Stevens is the first U.S. ambassador to be killed in the line of duty since 1979."

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    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Why.....Fact Check. Org. Politifact......and even overseas news sources, are hard to get around.....huh?
    Really? You seem to be able to dismiss facts quite easily.

    Bengazi was an impromptu attack by a widely disparate group of actors under the cover of and in response to the protests in Cairo sparked by an internet video. Them are facts. No it was not spontaneous, but nor was it planned more than a few hours ahead of time.

    The fantasy storyline that this thread and the 500 other spammings are trying to push; namely that these were carefully planned attacks by al Qaeda operatives which the administration knew about but intentionally failed to prevent or respond to so that they could hide them in a goldbergian conspiracy to win a presidential election is ludicrous.

    Yes, four people died. It's a horrible tragedy. But people who try and turn that tragedy into a political weapon so that their side "wins" are pretty terrible human beings. Ask yourself this question, why has the emphasis switched from Obama to Hillary? Could it be because this is a manufactured hit piece by the right wing to try and discredit a FAR more successful administration? Notice how the Democrats didn't use the complete failure of 9/11 as a political bludgeon? Who's looking to make things better, and who's looking to score political points?

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    Can this thread be moved to conspiracy theories?
    Don't think that it really qualifies as a 'conspiracy theory'. More like a conspiracy fact.
    Disinformation campaign? The Russian collusion meme pushed by the 'news' media, behaving as a political propaganda organ, hell bent to destroy a legitimately elected president to implement his agenda per the votes of the same electorate. Reference The Big Lie Reference Goebbels

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