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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

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    Why wouldn't it be?
    It's a tactical decision for the commander on the scene. Force protection posture is a local responsibility. In addition, that was long before our present era of instant high-def video feeds from the battle space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    It's a tactical decision for the commander on the scene. Force protection posture is a local responsibility. In addition, that was long before our present era of instant high-def video feeds from the battle space.
    Article 2 Section 2:

    Section 2.

    The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the militia of the several states, when called into the actual service of the United States;...
    Really? Now you tell me where the buck stops again, please. And that is as high as you can get up that ladder; it's the last rung.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video [W:

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    I'm beginning to think he likes it for some reason.

    My point on this part of this issue is in fact what sort of accountability will we have if presidents and the executive branch can spew forth whatever they want for any political purposes, expediency, convenience? With no accountability what so ever? I don't think that this precedence bodes well for the future.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

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    Article 2 Section 2:

    Really? Now you tell me where the buck stops again, please.
    The buck does not stop but the active responsibility is pushed to the lowest level possible to optimize force effectiveness. That is why Ambassador Stevens, for example, was able to have his way when he declined additional security personnel.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

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    The buck does not stop but the active responsibility is pushed to the lowest level possible to optimize force effectiveness. That is why Ambassador Stevens, for example, was able to have his way when he declined additional security personnel.
    True. But that was not a military situation. In 1983, when those troops were deployed to Beirut, the Commander and Chief (Ronald Reagan) was the head honcho over that; that had nothing to do with ambassadors; that had everything to do with troop movement--not bureaucratic negotiations.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    True. But that was not a military situation. In 1983, when those troops were deployed to Beirut, the Commander and Chief (Ronald Reagan) was the head honcho over that; that had nothing to do with ambassadors; that had everything to do with troop movement--not bureaucratic negotiations.
    Sorry, but no. I realize how much you want RWR to have been responsible, but that is contrary to all US military doctrine and principles of leadership throughout our history. The commander on the scene has full authority and responsibility for force protection. And there's less difference between Beirut and Benghazi than you think. Ambassadors, like Combatant Commanders, derive their authority directly from the POTUS.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video [W:

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Just look at what President Bush did in the autumn on 2002 when he and his administration set forth a campaign to scare the American people about Iraq's WMD so it would make it politically unpopular for Democrats to vote against his resolution to attack Iraq. That was indeed a very costly misadventure. Please save all the quotes and misquotes from Democrats. They wanted the wanted the UN inspectors to complete there job in Iraq.

    Study: Iraq War Cost 190K Lives, $2.2 Trillion | Military.com

    So let me see if I have this right, you were against what Bush did yet support Obama for doing what you claim Bush did only on a smaller scale? Not sure what it is about liberals who keep bringing up Bush. If you were against Bush how can you be for Obama now?

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

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    Sorry, but no. I realize how much you want RWR to have been responsible, but that is contrary to all US military doctrine and principles of leadership throughout our history. The commander on the scene has full authority and responsibility for force protection. And there's less difference between Beirut and Benghazi than you think. Ambassadors, like Combatant Commanders, derive their authority directly from the POTUS.
    All US military doctrine and principles of leadership throughout our history has been dictated by the President.

    If you do not believe that try asking Patton (if he was alive.) how his relationship with Truman went. And I'll guarantee you if Abraham Lincoln didn't like a general not listening to him, that General would know about it.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Bob N View Post
    All US military doctrine and principles of leadership throughout our history has been dictated by the President.

    If you do not believe that try asking Patton (if he was alive.) how his relationship with Truman went. And I'll guarantee you if Abraham Lincoln didn't like a general not listening to him, that General would know about it.
    Can you prove that Reagan told the troops not to have bullets in their guns? Keep blaming things in the past to divert from the disaster in the present?

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    IDK. Did he lie about, blame someone who wasn't responsible, and try to continue a false rhetoric until proven a liar? That's what your dictator has done. So if you condemn RR why don't you condemn your loser in charge? Oh that's right because it doesn't matter who lives and dies it matters who's R or D.


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    Really? Did the Commander and Chief demand answers from himself as to why guards would not have loaded guns in unfriendly territory?

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