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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The CIA did launch a response that failed. They were in charge there. How many times will you keep ignoring the facts?

    New Detailed Account of Benghazi Attack Notes CIA’s Quick Response - ABC News


    Heya IM......from your one source by McClatchy. Why is it you also keep ignoring the facts from your very own Articles?

    Any increase in U.S. military force would have required State Department approval. It’s unknown if Stevens might have passed along Ham’s offer to the State Department and been turned down, or whether he believed that the security team Ham offered would not provide the kind of security he needed.....snip~

    CAIRO: Ambassador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security, U.S. officials say | Middle East | McClatchy DC


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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by MMC View Post
    Heya IM......from your one source by McClatchy. Why is it you also keep ignoring the facts from your very own Articles?

    Any increase in U.S. military force would have required State Department approval. It’s unknown if Stevens might have passed along Ham’s offer to the State Department and been turned down, or whether he believed that the security team Ham offered would not provide the kind of security he needed.....snip~

    CAIRO: Ambassador Stevens twice said no to military offers of more security, U.S. officials say | Middle East | McClatchy DC


    Next!
    The CIA was providing security and that may well have been the reason for Stevens to decide he didn't need extra. The second time he was asked in person and said no thanks again. Why were they asking him if the States Dept. made the decision?
    Aren't you the least bit curious about why the CIA and the Ambassador stayed in Benghazi when the British and Germans left because of security concerns? What was so important that they would risk Stevens life for it? There is something fishy about Benghazi and it is the CIA's involvement. Petreus was supposedly in charge but it turned out he was busy with a soap opera of his own.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The CIA was providing security and that may well have been the reason for Stevens to decide he didn't need extra. The second time he was asked in person and said no thanks again. Why were they asking him if the States Dept. made the decision?
    Aren't you the least bit curious about why the CIA and the Ambassador stayed in Benghazi when the British and Germans left because of security concerns? What was so important that they would risk Stevens life for it? There is something fishy about Benghazi and it is the CIA's involvement. Petreus was supposedly in charge but it turned out he was busy with a soap opera of his own.
    Yeah, I know but that was a one time convo with Ham and Stevens on the 16th of Aug. He had already put in requests prior to that and even Nordstrom requested security.

    Have to head into work. For a couple hrs. I'll re-round when I get back IM.

    Also, that articles of yours will be good, concerning Ham.....once things fall back to Ham and his testimony. Appreciate you getting something up.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video [W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithros View Post
    I'd like to point out that the entire focus of the conservative faux-rage has been focused on Obama and Hillary and none of it on what we did wrong and how we can fix it in the future. None. The lives of those killed in Benghazi mean nothing; they're just political pawns to be paraded about.. Look! Obama is a failure! See the dead bodies! It's completely disgusting.
    Well, it would seem 'what went wrong', at its base, is that the president and sec of state were told certain information as to the cause of the assault. They peddled this story for days and weeks (the president repeated it at the United Nations, even though it was a sketchy story), and is completely discredited now. It seems now that the story originated for POLITICAL reasons-- and the released emails tend to support such a claim.

    So a problem would be that the president was manipulated by his staff. Or he knowingly went along with the nonsense. Or he is clueless as to what goes on in his own office.
    Its a problem, a president seems to lack any curiosity in fixing it.

    Another problem is that the sec of state has sworn under oath that it doesn't matter happened.

    The House formed a joint committee to investigate these problems.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    The CIA was providing security and that may well have been the reason for Stevens to decide he didn't need extra. The second time he was asked in person and said no thanks again. Why were they asking him if the States Dept. made the decision?
    Aren't you the least bit curious about why the CIA and the Ambassador stayed in Benghazi when the British and Germans left because of security concerns? What was so important that they would risk Stevens life for it? There is something fishy about Benghazi and it is the CIA's involvement. Petreus was supposedly in charge but it turned out he was busy with a soap opera of his own.
    CIA never has security responsibility for an Ambassador or for an Embassy or Consulate. Never.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    This does bring up a few points...

    1. This happened right before Obama's second election: Was it purposely thrown under the rug to not hinder it?

    2. Hilary was Security of State at the time: Will this effect her election when she runs for Pres?

    3. The fact that other countries withdrew Embassy members: Seeing how CIA was involved, could it perhaps be an assassination hid behind the turmoil and only blamed on riots?

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Saxon View Post
    This does bring up a few points...

    1. This happened right before Obama's second election: Was it purposely thrown under the rug to not hinder it?

    2. Hilary was Security of State at the time: Will this effect her election when she runs for Pres?

    3. The fact that other countries withdrew Embassy members: Seeing how CIA was involved, could it perhaps be an assassination hid behind the turmoil and only blamed on riots?
    1. Yes

    2. Yes

    3. A possibility sure, but more likely it was a terror attack called for weeks earlier by Al Zwarhiri (sic) on the 9/11 anniversary to show that AQ was NOT on the run, NOT being beaten like Obama claimed, and in fact will use 9/11 for decades to come to strike....

    And when you have a President that didn't even take his PDB's the week before the attack in Benghazi, I find it stunning that he was elected again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    CIA never has security responsibility for an Ambassador or for an Embassy or Consulate. Never.
    Then what were they doing providing it for Ambassador Stevens?

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    HotAir — Politics, Culture, Media, Breaking News from a conservative viewpoint: Benghazi whistleblower: Don’t even think about blaming Stevens

    Benghazi whistleblower: Don’t even think about blaming Stevens

    After the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence reported that the attack on Benghazi was “preventable” — surely one of the least surprising conclusions one could have foreseen from a serious review of the data — the rush was on to take responsibility pass the buck. Some of that effort involved casting murdered Ambassador Chris Stevens as partly to blame for not being clearer about security needs in Libya and especially Benghazi, where terrorist attacks had escalated enough in both intensity and frequency to drive other Western countries out of the area, as well as the Red Cross. Don’t try that line out on Gregory Hicks, the State Department veteran and Benghazi whistleblower, who takes to the Wall Street Journal today to rebut that response:

    Last week the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence issued its report on the Sept. 11, 2012, terrorist attacks in Benghazi, Libya. The report concluded that the attack, which resulted in the murder of four Americans, was “preventable.” Some have been suggesting that the blame for this tragedy lies at least partly with Ambassador Chris Stevens, who was killed in the attack. This is untrue: The blame lies entirely with Washington.

    At issue are two offers from AFRICOM commander General Carter Ham for additional security in Libya that Stevens declined. Defenders of Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama have pointed to those responses to say that Stevens’ decisions pointed out how unclear the security situation was even to those on the ground. That’s nonsense, Hicks responds. Stevens had no choice but to reject those offers because of decisions made by the Obama administration about the nature of the mission — and takes aim specifically at Patrick Kennedy and Leon Panetta.

    Stevens’ request for more security was based on the detachment having State Department aegis, in order to retain diplomatic immunity for the men. The Obama administration wanted to change their mission from diplomatic security to training Libyan militias, which would put them in the DoD and outside of the cover of diplomatic immunity. Kennedy refused to rescind the transfer of the forces to Defense, and that meant big trouble:

    However, on July 13, State Department Undersecretary Patrick Kennedy refused the Defense Department offer and thus Chris’s July 9 request. His rationale was that Libyan guards would be hired to take over this responsibility. Because of Mr. Kennedy’s refusal, Chris had to use diplomatic language at the video conference, such as expressing “reservations” about the transfer of authority. …

    Transferring authority would immediately strip the special forces team of its diplomatic immunity. Moreover, the U.S. had no status of forces agreement with Libya. He explained to Rear Adm. Charles J. Leidig that if a member of the special forces team used weapons to protect U.S. facilities, personnel or themselves, he would be subject to Libyan law. The law would be administered by judges appointed to the bench by Moammar Gadhafi or, worse, tribal judges. …

    Chris understood the importance of the special forces team to the security of our embassy personnel. He believed that by explaining his concerns, the Defense Department would postpone the decision so he could have time to work with the Libyan government and get diplomatic immunity for the special forces.

    According to the National Defense Authorization Act, the Defense Department needed Chris’s concurrence to change the special forces mission. But soon after the Aug. 1 meeting, and as a complete surprise to us at the embassy, Defense Secretary Leon Panetta signed the order without Chris’s concurrence.

    Stevens ended up dying because State and the White House thought it was more important to train Libyan militias than to provide effective security cover for its consulate in Benghazi. Chew on that one for a while. And while that percolates a bit, remember that the so-called Accountability Review Board’s co-chair Thomas Pickering scoffed at the notion that his panel needed to depose Patrick Kennedy at all.

    Earlier today, I pointed out that this was the one-year anniversary of the one and only time that Hillary Clinton got pressed for accountability for the debacle, and her now-infamous reply, “What difference at this point does it make?” Instapundit was kind enough to link to that, but Citizens United has a new video out marking the event:

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video [W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Amazed View Post
    So for you the fact that Obama lies whenever his mouth is open is not a problem?
    I'm beginning to think he likes it for some reason.

    My point on this part of this issue is in fact what sort of accountability will we have if presidents and the executive branch can spew forth whatever they want for any political purposes, expediency, convenience? With no accountability what so ever? I don't think that this precedence bodes well for the future.
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