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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    How could they have had "full and complete knowledge" less than a week after the attack, before any investigation?

    And I really am not sure what the right wing is trying to prove here. If it's that WH officials coordinated talking points early after an incident and 'spun' those talking points in a way favorable to the administration, then goodness, that's only happened..... after nearly every major event, for all of time in any administration in any country, ever. Politicians playing politics! Whoocoodanode???!!!!

    Sure, it's legitimate to call them out on their bullcrap, but goodness, that's just NOT a YEARS long controversy.
    They all knew what was happening while it was happening. There were no demonstrations, and they knew that too. A drone was capturing the event in real time circling above. Spinning is painting something credibly in a favorable light. Lying is lying. If you want to know why it has taken years, then ask yourself why it has taken a year and a half for the administration to be forced to release these memos without redacting nearly everything in them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    They all knew what was happening while it was happening. There were no demonstrations, and they knew that too. A drone was capturing the event in real time circling above. Spinning is painting something credibly in a favorable light. Lying is lying. If you want to know why it has taken years, then ask yourself why it has taken a year and a half for the administration to be forced to release these memos without redacting nearly everything in them.
    You're making conclusions that just are not in the evidence. A drone wasn't on the scene until after the attacks began, and you're asserting the WH and others knew WHY the terrorists attacked the embassy well before they even knew WHO was behind the attacks. How could they know the motivations of people not yet identified? I don't really think anyone can say right now WHY they attacked the outposts. We now know, and weren't supposed to learn, that these were CIA spook sites, staffed by CIA personnel doing classified activities. Were those activities the motivation - we don't know because we don't know what they were doing - it was secret enough that Petraeus avoided the public ceremony of his own dead agents to keep the CIA connection unclear.

    But somehow the fact that the unknown attackers who attacked for still unknown to me reasons was politically spun for a few DAYS is supposed to be a scandal that's lived for 18 months. I really don't get it.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're making conclusions that just are not in the evidence. A drone wasn't on the scene until after the attacks began, and you're asserting the WH and others knew WHY the terrorists attacked the embassy well before they even knew WHO was behind the attacks. How could they know the motivations of people not yet identified? I don't really think anyone can say right now WHY they attacked the outposts. We now know, and weren't supposed to learn, that these were CIA spook sites, staffed by CIA personnel doing classified activities. Were those activities the motivation - we don't know because we don't know what they were doing - it was secret enough that Petraeus avoided the public ceremony of his own dead agents to keep the CIA connection unclear.

    But somehow the fact that the unknown attackers who attacked for still unknown to me reasons was politically spun for a few DAYS is supposed to be a scandal that's lived for 18 months. I really don't get it.
    I did not assert that the WH knew why the attack occurred. I did say that the WH knew the attack was not in response to a video, and was not a spontaneous event as characterized even weeks after the event. It was obvious it was an organized, coordinated attack by well trained combatants that were armed with heavy weapons. The drone only arrived in the final hour or two, but there were audio links employed during the early hours of the attack of which the WH was aware. I can't say without looking at what point within the first few days that Ansar Al Sharia affiliates were identified, but it was a fairly short time. Again, if you want to know why it has taken so long to get even some of the truth behind the attack, you'll have to pry some more information out of the administration. So far, very few have been able to get even this far. Maybe it's because the emails just exposed prove that the WH was directly and intimately involved in lying about the whole affair, and then punctuated it by lying about even that involvement.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I did not assert that the WH knew why the attack occurred. I did say that the WH knew the attack was not in response to a video
    If they knew what was NOT the reason, surely they had to know THE reason, right? If they didn't and still don't know why, then how could they, without any doubt and within days eliminate the video, which DID spark protests elsewhere? You're contradicting yourself.

    Besides, the BBC showed video of a person on the scene in Benghazi, a local, who insisted it was about the video on Sept 12.

    Benghazi's US consulate ablaze after armed assault - video | World news | theguardian.com

    We KNEW he was wrong? Made it up? Was a stooge?

    And I'll try to be polite here, but there's a big possibility that the ACTUAL reason was because we were doing spook stuff in that area. What should they say was the reason if it was spook stuff and stuff we can't ever actually make public, especially since the world was never supposed to find out about those spook operations? If they blamed it on a random terrorist attack, just because it was U.S., that's also a lie, but a different one, but apparently a better one than the video?

    and was not a spontaneous event as characterized even weeks after the event. It was obvious it was an organized, coordinated attack by well trained combatants that were armed with heavy weapons. The drone only arrived in the final hour or two, but there were audio links employed during the early hours of the attack of which the WH was aware. I can't say without looking at what point within the first few days that Ansar Al Sharia affiliates were identified, but it was a fairly short time.
    Again, you're using perfect hindsight to declare as known fact what was disputed at that time. And Ansar Al Sharia was one of several groups named as POTENTIAL attackers in the early going - it was also blamed on AQ/AQ affiliates, Ghadaffi supporters, and Fox News reported some former GITMO prisoner led the attacks. The point is they were GUESSING at that time - very little was known with any certainty when Rice did her appearances. Lots of people were guessing - that's it. But without knowing WHO, the WH knew why, or at least could rule out some reasons why.

    Again, if you want to know why it has taken so long to get even some of the truth behind the attack, you'll have to pry some more information out of the administration. So far, very few have been able to get even this far. Maybe it's because the emails just exposed prove that the WH was directly and intimately involved in lying about the whole affair, and then punctuated it by lying about even that involvement.
    You've concluded that they knew pretty much all there was to know within days, before an investigation, when there were all kinds of conflicting accounts being bandied about here and in Europe and by locals.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're making concwhaions just are not in the evidence. A drone wasn't on the scene until after the attacks began, and you're asserting the WH and others knew WHY the terrorists attacked the embassy well before they even knew WHO was behind the attacks. How could they know the motivations of people not yet identified? I don't really think anyone can say right now WHY they attacked the outposts. We now know, and weren't supposed to learn, that these were CIA spook sites, staffed by CIA personnel doing classified activities. Were those activities the motivation - we don't know because we don't know what they were doing - it was secret enough that Petraeus avoided the public ceremony of his own dead agents to keep the CIA connection unclear.

    But somehow the fact that the unknown attackers who attacked for still unknown to me reasons was politically spun for a few DAYS is supposed to be a scandal that's lived for 18 months. I really don't get it.
    The White House DID know. They knew unequivocally that it was a Protest.

    Right ? Before any investigation and too soon after the attack to know for a fact what caused it, Susan Rice went out and clarified for everyone EXACTLY what happened.

    Or did she and the White House make Conclusions without having all the evidence ?

    Minus the BS Democrat propaganda a American Presidential Administration purposely mislead ( or attempted and they failed miserably ) the American public about a Terrorist attack that took the lives of four Americans because it was potentially too Politically risky to tell the truth.

    And forget about the American public. They perpetuated this blatant lie to the parents and loved ones who lost their Sons, Brothers, Uncles and Husbands in Benghazzi.

    And in order to legitimize their disgusting lie, they used the American media to call as much attention as possible to this video which inturn caused more riots around the world.

    Chances are that video was found by someone in the WH through a Google search.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    The White House DID know. They knew unequivocally that it was a Protest.

    Right ? Before any investigation and too soon after the attack to know for a fact what caused it, Susan Rice went out and clarified for everyone EXACTLY what happened.

    Or did she and the White House make Conclusions without having all the evidence ?
    I'm not sure what you're talking about.

    MS. RICE: Well, let us-- let me tell you the-- the best information we have at present. First of all, there’s an FBI investigation which is ongoing. And we look to that investigation to give us the definitive word as to what transpired. But putting together the best information that we have available to us today our current assessment is that what happened in Benghazi was in fact initially a spontaneous reaction to what had just transpired hours before in Cairo, almost a copycat of-- of the demonstrations against our facility in Cairo, which were prompted, of course, by the video. What we think then transpired in Benghazi is that opportunistic extremist elements came to the consulate as this was unfolding. They came with heavy weapons which unfortunately are readily available in post revolutionary Libya. And it escalated into a much more violent episode. Obviously, that’s-- that’s our best judgment now. We’ll await the results of the investigation.
    That doesn't sound to me like anyone who's concluded a thing.

    Minus the BS Democrat propaganda a American Presidential Administration purposely mislead ( or attempted and they failed miserably ) the American public about a Terrorist attack that took the lives of four Americans because it was potentially too Politically risky to tell the truth.
    What was 'the truth?' Did anyone know 'the truth' in the first couple of weeks of September after the attacks? No. They could have guessed, and did guess, and it's an 18 month 'scandal' that part of those guesses turned out to be wrong.

    And forget about the American public. They perpetuated this blatant lie to the parents and loved ones who lost their Sons, Brothers, Uncles and Husbands in Benghazzi.
    The lie was about WHY terrorists attacked a CIA outpost doing CIA activities, and the actual reason may never be known because all those killed were engaged in classified activities that we may never know the full scope of.

    And in order to legitimize their disgusting lie, they used the American media to call as much attention as possible to this video which inturn caused more riots around the world.

    Chances are that video was found by someone in the WH through a Google search.
    Now I know you're being irrational.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You always prep before going on a national talk show regardless of what you are talking about which always involves remembering the core messages you are trying to convey.
    But the line out of the White House has always been that they had NOTHING to do with the talking points that Rice went out with....Can't have it both ways dude....
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What was 'the truth?' Did anyone know 'the truth' in the first couple of weeks of September after the attacks? No. They could have guessed, and did guess, and it's an 18 month 'scandal' that part of those guesses turned out to be wrong.
    What was the truth? The truth was that AQ attacked an American consulate and killed 4 Americans, during a campaign season where the sitting President was running on his foreign policy being successful in basically killing off AQ....That was a lie, and still is...

    The lie was about WHY terrorists attacked a CIA outpost doing CIA activities, and the actual reason may never be known because all those killed were engaged in classified activities that we may never know the full scope of.
    No, the lie, was that it was just some disgruntled protesters that got out of hand tragically...That was BS when it was first uttered, and ANYONE with a brain could see that...

    The cover up was in what they actually knew, and what they did..

    Now I know you're being irrational.
    No, actually his reasoning there sounds about right out of this criminal bunch in the White House today.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    But the line out of the White House has always been that they had NOTHING to do with the talking points that Rice went out with....Can't have it both ways dude....
    I can't have it both ways? Am I responsible for what he White House said or did? Anyway if the WH said they had nothing to do with her talking points thats obviously false.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If they knew what was NOT the reason, surely they had to know THE reason, right? If they didn't and still don't know why, then how could they, without any doubt and within days eliminate the video, which DID spark protests elsewhere? You're contradicting yourself.

    Besides, the BBC showed video of a person on the scene in Benghazi, a local, who insisted it was about the video on Sept 12.

    Benghazi's US consulate ablaze after armed assault - video | World news | theguardian.com

    We KNEW he was wrong? Made it up? Was a stooge?

    And I'll try to be polite here, but there's a big possibility that the ACTUAL reason was because we were doing spook stuff in that area. What should they say was the reason if it was spook stuff and stuff we can't ever actually make public, especially since the world was never supposed to find out about those spook operations? If they blamed it on a random terrorist attack, just because it was U.S., that's also a lie, but a different one, but apparently a better one than the video?



    Again, you're using perfect hindsight to declare as known fact what was disputed at that time. And Ansar Al Sharia was one of several groups named as POTENTIAL attackers in the early going - it was also blamed on AQ/AQ affiliates, Ghadaffi supporters, and Fox News reported some former GITMO prisoner led the attacks. The point is they were GUESSING at that time - very little was known with any certainty when Rice did her appearances. Lots of people were guessing - that's it. But without knowing WHO, the WH knew why, or at least could rule out some reasons why.



    You've concluded that they knew pretty much all there was to know within days, before an investigation, when there were all kinds of conflicting accounts being bandied about here and in Europe and by locals.
    The security detail hired to protect the compound was Ansar Al Sharia - one of their own confirmed that, and yes, the administration understood well in advance that they were a target, along with the British, who had the sense to pull out of Benghazi. The attack on the British earlier was conducted by people who knew what they were doing with the exception of hitting the wrong one of two identical vehicles.

    I don't care what the actual activity was in Benghazi. I do care that whatever we were engaged in was obviously not adequately protected, that an attack occurred as a result, that lives were lost, and that no effort in the early hours was mustered to at least make an attempt to save those people.

    Sure, we needed an investigation. We did not need a bunch of smoke blown out by the administration blaming unrelated events to cover their own asses, and they knew enough to bother with at least that effort.

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