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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Geez, man, you've alreay been straightened out more than once so why keep repeating the same nonsense? Get on topic
    Sorry, I AM on topic. You are the one running around here trying to police the thread taking it off topic. It is completely on topic to comment about the feigned outrage by those who want to use the tragic deaths of four Americans to engage in political grandstanding.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    So the controversy is about talking points tailored by the c.i.a?

    Smoking gun: Shock #Benghazi email reveals that Obama White House agreed with CIA talking points.
    No, I believe the talking point tailoring was done by senior campaign advisers, addressing an administration senior official, which is a violation of the Hatch Act, I believe.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    No, I believe the talking point tailoring was done by senior campaign advisers, addressing an administration senior official, which is a violation of the Hatch Act, I believe.
    Insert the time when the Rhodes email was sent in this Time line.

    Timeline: The Benghazi E-Mails | TIME.com
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Insert the time when the Rhodes email was sent in this Time line.

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    The timing really isn't the point here, nor pertinent to the issue of whether the Hatch Act was broken or not.

    There mere fact that senior campaign advisers were busy tailoring a message that Rice (part of the administration) would soon deliver to the Sunday talk programs is the issue.

    The message Rice delivered was a political message, for the benefit of the campaign, and she's administration. Not how it's supposed to work, from what I understand.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    The failure has been proven. It was a grave mistake, but it is over. Time to move on which most Americans have done.
    Yes, absolutely, there is no need to investigate to try to learn from the mistake or to try to clear the air about possible wrong doing.

    Like every other disaster in the Obama administration, simply move along, there is nothing to see here.....but watch the outrage when a Republican learns from that and does the same thing.


    how did that do again? "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan".....we can forget about that too, so the next guy can lie even more blatantly


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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    First, if there is a quote in the emails for her to hide what was known, it's a simple matter to cut and paste it. I missed that quote.

    And the reason I'm asking you to tell me, today, 18 months later why they attacked that consulate on that day is because you can't KNOW what was NOT the reason until you know the reason. And you can't or won't tell me why they attacked that location on that day, or how long it was planned. You know it wasn't the video, even though other protests in the region were in response to the video, and BBC interviewed a local at the consulate who said it was the video. But it wasn't - everyone KNEW this before any investigation. So SCANDAL!! because goodness knows when you are speculating about the motives of unknown terrorists for their latest attack, you had damn sure better speculate accurately!

    One other thing - there have been hundreds or thousands of terrorists attacks, many against U.S. interests or involving Americans. I don't generally give a shate why they attacked us - if it wasn't a video, it was what the CIA was doing. If not that, a general hatred of the West, or maybe retaliation for some real or imagined slight somewhere else in the world. Why in the hell THAT reason is central to any kind of analysis of the attack 18 months later is a mystery. We've had dozens of attacks on our facilities - can you name the reason why for ANY of them - pick any one?
    You just have to love how a poster who could not even discern what IS in the email, what the title of the email says, and who ran off to another thread to tell people they don't know what the "truth" is? Is now preaching about "facts that are inconvenient? No problem! Just ignore them and make up 'facts' that support your conclusion!"? Well he is NOW back here in this thread (ignoring what what was pointed out to him) telling us all about how he is " pointing out inconsistencies and hypocrisy" but not "muddying the water" at the same time too. You just have to LOVE the internet and the masterdebators on it as it cracks you up. Just run from what you can't answer or debate, pose a series on unending questions when you can't answer a question yourself and round and round and round he goes. Like spinning top with worn out pull string.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I never said that Democrats aren't at
    fault as well. What remains amazing however is those that are most vocal about 4 dead in Benghazi are remarkably silent about the thousands dead in Iraq...or even worse...
    One is relevent to the OP and even more importantly to the issue and one is not.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Insert the time when the Rhodes
    email was sent in this Time line.

    Timeline: The Benghazi E-Mails | TIME.com
    Do you believe Jay Carney's explanation that these E-mails were not related to Benghazzi at all ??

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Yes, I think there was a coverup. The CIA was doing something we don't know about, and I suspect was targeted in direct retaliation for whatever those activities were. They can never say what those activities were, because they were classified. So the cover up is of those activities, basically. Do I care? I guess, but no more than I can care about all the rest our spooks do overseas that I don't know about. I care less about them than the BIG lie which is the sort of wrapper around our entire ME policy. It's not about security or terrorism in my view, but much broader and raw power related than that - some form of hegemony.

    What confuses me here is the 'cover up' isn't like Iran Contra, for example, where the WH actively hid illegal acts by Executive branch officials, acts they sanctioned directly violating laws addressing those actions. That might have happened here, depending on what the CIA was doing there. But that's not the 'scandal' - the scandal is some weird coverup of the MOTIVE of some terrorists who attacked us, and that the lie wasn't "it was a random act of terror" which would have been a 'good' lie, but allegedly the 'bad lie that it was in retaliation for the video which is for some reason unacceptable. They're both likely lies - the motive was CIA - but the scandal is the WH used a lie that arguably, for a few days, made them look a bit better in the press than claiming the lie this was just a random target of 'terrorists.' I just cannot figure out why I'm supposed to care more than intellectually - yeah, WH spins events to their advantage, and water is wet.

    You know I thought about that, more or less a cover story to hid some activities by the CIA or other intel organization. Perhaps if I heard correctly, the consulate was a CIA sub office of the Embassy in Tripoli. Maybe, maybe not. But I do think for whatever reason, most of the American public accepts being lied to. That was my point in my post. Now there are instances due to national security I actually condone lying when a no comment would be the same as admitting that something is going on that we, the U.S. shouldn’t be doing. But if you get caught like Eisenhower was with the U-2 flights, it is best to just come out and admit it. Americans are a very forgiving people and IKE was forgiven quite fast for telling the fib about a weather observation plane flying off course over Russia. Even after Reagan admitted his misdeeds in Iran Contra the public forgave him. That is except the hard core Democrats.

    Where most presidents get in trouble is the cover up, not the actions or even the wrong doing. Before Iran-Contra became known Reagan was at 60% plus approval rating, he fell to around 45% during it, but once he admitted to his wrong doings, his approval immediately rose back into the 60’s and he left office at 65%.

    Obama is in a different boat, 50% plus a point or two approval rating form January of 2013 through May of 2014 and then has been in decline to where he is at 44% today. Benghazi alone is not the reason for that decline. It is a combination of a whole lot of things. Thus I do not believe President Obama coming on TV and radio saying something like, “Yeah, we used the video excuse to cover up A, B, and C. I don’t think it would help him much in his approval rating as there is so many reasons for its decline, Reagan’s decline was almost all Iran-Contra. Reagan’s Iran-Contra and Benghazi are entirely two different things. It is like you said, Reagan broke some laws, Obama just told some lie. But I do like what you said about the lie

    that the lie wasn't "it was a random act of terror" which would have been a 'good' lie, but allegedly the 'bad lie that it was in retaliation for the video which is for some reason unacceptable.

    Yeah, I agree, there can be good lies and bad lies. I think in the grand scheme of things lies about Benghazi really doesn’t mean that much if they were to cover up some intel activity. Most Americans will buy that and that may be what a lot of Americans think the cover up is all about. I wouldn’t have a problem with that kind of lie. But if it is proved that the lie was made for political advantage or to maintain a political advantage, which in itself is not unusual, the shrugging of shoulders by most of the public may stop.

    But we don’t know that. I still think as time has passed, presidents and our elected leaders have lied to the public about so many things under all sorts of circumstances that we have come to expect it. In the end, it is probably no big deal. It is like I said, if a president of your party lies, that is okay, if the president is of the other party, now that is wrong and he should be hung. Those in the middle of the parties have just come to accept lying and they do not pay any attention to it anymore. Just my opinion.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    You can always count on Obama's most loyal supporters do whatever it takes to protect him


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