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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I never said that Democrats aren't at fault as well. What remains amazing however is those that are most vocal about 4 dead in Benghazi are remarkably silent about the thousands dead in Iraq...or even worse...
    Who was silent about the Iraq War? You spent most of the Bush term bashing Bush for Iraq and he was demonized so bad that he lost control of the Congress and then Republicans lost the WH. Where were you during the 8 years of bashing Bush or do you simply have selective reading and listening skills?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    I'm pointing out inconsistencies and hypocrisy, not muddying the water. If you want to get exercised about this event, but accept with a shrug similar events or events with far GREATER tragic outcomes, then it's incumbent on you to explain why this event is fundamentally different than those others, beyond the fact that this event involved hated democrats who it's to the advantage of partisans to attack.

    Like I said, I have no idea what your view of the Iraq war was, but in most of my discussions about this, the same idiots who blindly supported Bush throughout that war and tens of thousands dead, $trillions spent, etc. suddenly found the capacity for outrage with Benghazi. It was OK to lie about WMD and yellow cake and Saddam/AQ allegiances and torture and black sites, and all the rest, but when Obama lies about WHY some terrorists attacked a CIA outpost, NOW they're furious. Does it make sense to you? No. Furthermore, I see the operational failures in light of all the thousands of other operational failures throughout the years, and can't really see what is unique here - people failed to heed warnings and people died. This isn't unique in our RECENT history, as in the 2000s. Thousands dead, tens of thousands injured, many of them from people making stupid decisions.



    I made several points - he addressed them all? OK...
    We had an election in 2006 and Democrats took the Congress and then in the election of 2008 took the WH. You have a very selective ability to read information and ignore the facts leading up to the Iraq War, information that Democrats had prior to Bush taking office and the oversight of a Democrat Controlled Senate that authorized the war. Further you want to selectively ignore the world intelligence agency, the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, the UN Resolutions and total defiance by Saddam Hussein. Then you want to pass off the distorted lies as to the cost of the wars as well as buying the media and liberal spin on civilian casualties. Interesting on how we are almost through 6 years of Obama and you are condoning the very same thing you claim Bush did, wonder why?

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I never said that Democrats aren't at fault as well. What remains amazing however is those that are most vocal about 4 dead in Benghazi are remarkably silent about the thousands dead in Iraq...or even worse...
    Perhaps that silence on this thread is because it is not about Bush and the Iraq war. You might also be amazed that this tread isn't about Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, or Ronald Reagan either.

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    Who was silent about the Iraq War? You spent most of the Bush term bashing Bush for Iraq and he was demonized so bad that he lost control of the Congress and then Republicans lost the WH. Where were you during the 8 years of bashing Bush or do you simply have selective reading and listening skills?
    Bush deserved to be bashed for the Iraq war debacle. Who was silent? If you really want to know....take a look at those who are screaming the loudest feigned outrage about Benghazi. Those are the ones who were silent...and even worse...actually cheered on the lunacy.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Perhaps that silence on this thread is because it is not about Bush and the Iraq war. You might also be amazed that this tread isn't about Richard Nixon, Bill Clinton, or Ronald Reagan either.
    I'm not talking about "silence on this thread". I'm specifcally referencing the remarkable silence in the past from the most vocal today feigning outrage over 4 deaths in Benghazi. Its all politics. I can honestly say that those screaming the loudest, really don't give a **** about the 4 dead....they want to use the deaths as pawns to engage in political revelry.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    =disneydude;1063222226]Bush deserved to be bashed for the Iraq war debacle. Who was silent? If you really want to know....take a look at those who are screaming the loudest feigned outrage about Benghazi. Those are the ones who were silent...and even worse...actually cheered on the lunacy.
    So were you screaming about Bush in Iraq? Why the silence now about what Obama has done in Benghazi? Why the Double Standards, could it be the "D" after the name? The lunacy as you call it about Iraq was perpetuated by BOTH parties but you have selective outrage. It was the Democrat Controlled Senate that authorized the War. It was the World intelligence community that supported the War, it was total ignorance of the Iraq Liberation Act as well as the UN resolutions violated that continue to drive people like you.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    So the controversy is about talking points tailored by the c.i.a?

    Smoking gun: Shock #Benghazi email reveals that Obama White House agreed with CIA talking points.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    If this is a violations of the Hatch Act, then nearly every employee of the WH staff violates the Hatch Act with every email, press conference, etc. You're claiming politicians being political is a crime. Every time a WH official appears on TV or the radio - crime. Drafts a press release - crime, etc. It's absurd, and a standard that has never before applied to activities like this, common as dirt since the founding, by Executive branch employees.
    No, it's a violation of the Hatch Act because they were doing campaign politicking rather than governing. The contents of the email is pretty clear on that.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    I'm not talking about "silence on this thread". I'm specifcally referencing the remarkable silence in the past from the most vocal today feigning outrage over 4 deaths in Benghazi. Its all politics. I can honestly say that those screaming the loudest, really don't give a **** about the 4 dead....they want to use the deaths as pawns to engage in political revelry.
    Geez, man, you've alreay been straightened out more than once so why keep repeating the same nonsense? Get on topic

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Yes, I think there was a coverup. The CIA was doing something we don't know about, and I suspect was targeted in direct retaliation for whatever those activities were. They can never say what those activities were, because they were classified. So the cover up is of those activities, basically. Do I care? I guess, but no more than I can care about all the rest our spooks do overseas that I don't know about. I care less about them than the BIG lie which is the sort of wrapper around our entire ME policy. It's not about security or terrorism in my view, but much broader and raw power related than that - some form of hegemony.

    What confuses me here is the 'cover up' isn't like Iran Contra, for example, where the WH actively hid illegal acts by Executive branch officials, acts they sanctioned directly violating laws addressing those actions. That might have happened here, depending on what the CIA was doing there. But that's not the 'scandal' - the scandal is some weird coverup of the MOTIVE of some terrorists who attacked us, and that the lie wasn't "it was a random act of terror" which would have been a 'good' lie, but allegedly the 'bad lie that it was in retaliation for the video which is for some reason unacceptable. They're both likely lies - the motive was CIA - but the scandal is the WH used a lie that arguably, for a few days, made them look a bit better in the press than claiming the lie this was just a random target of 'terrorists.' I just cannot figure out why I'm supposed to care more than intellectually - yeah, WH spins events to their advantage, and water is wet.
    Meh. CIA? Perhaps.

    However, what's been actively covered up was the campaign influence on the messaging from the administration.
    Why else bring up all those quickly discredited memes? In the heated end of the campaign, when Mitt and Obama were pretty much even.
    Why else bring up all those quickly discredited memes when the administration already knew the truth?

    Pretty clear for those of us who have eyes and brain. I know, some don't, or were covered over with Kool Aid. No help for them, I'm fearing.
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