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    So who do we see addressed on this email?

    It's a mix of people from the reelection campaign and senior White House staffers. The purpose of this email was to craft a political message with the disposition of making the administration look better, or at least not any worse, because of this event.

    Since when are senior government officials in the White House allowed to engage in election politics? It's been observed that this is a felony, in violation of The Hatch Act, as no government officials, beside the president and vice president, are allowed to engage in election politicking, and this email clearly demonstrates that they are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    Four dead Americans might be a dead horse to a left winger like you, Obama and Hillary but not to most Americans.
    It always amazes me when people like Navy Pride feign "outrage" over 4 dead Americans, yet sit silent and cheer "bring it on" for the thousands that died as a result of GWB using them as pawns.
    <font size=5><b>Its been several weeks since the Vegas shooting.  Its it still "Too Early" or can we start having the conversation about finally doing something about these mass shootings???​</b></font>

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    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It always amazes me when people like Navy Pride feign "outrage" over 4 dead Americans, yet sit silent and cheer "bring it on" for the thousands that died as a result of GWB using them as pawns.
    It always amazes me that people always hit on that 1/2 of the issue, and ignore the other 1/2, perhaps even more significant part, of the issue.
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by disneydude View Post
    It always amazes me when people like Navy Pride feign "outrage" over 4 dead Americans, yet sit silent and cheer "bring it on" for the thousands that died as a result of GWB using them as pawns.
    Lol....Not only did Democrats vote to go to war but multiple Democrat Politicians agreed he had WMDs and thought we needed to do something about it.

    John Kerry in 2003 specifically said his Yes vote was to give the President the authority to use FORCE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carleen View Post
    What percentage of Americans are still interested in Benghazi? Not many in my opinion.
    Exactly. Your beloved administration understands that its voting bloc has the comprehension and attention span of a gnat. It DEPENDS on it.

    So they blamed the whole thing on an internet video, and you people drank it up like Kool-aid in Guyana.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol....Not only did Democrats vote to go to war but multiple Democrat Politicians agreed he had WMDs and thought we needed to do something about it.

    John Kerry in 2003 specifically said his Yes vote was to give the President the authority to use FORCE.
    I never said that Democrats aren't at fault as well. What remains amazing however is those that are most vocal about 4 dead in Benghazi are remarkably silent about the thousands dead in Iraq...or even worse...
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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Trying to conflate this to include US interests in the greater ME over decades is an obfuscation, and deflection of the facts concerning THIS event...Muddying the water will not help you here.
    I'm pointing out inconsistencies and hypocrisy, not muddying the water. If you want to get exercised about this event, but accept with a shrug similar events or events with far GREATER tragic outcomes, then it's incumbent on you to explain why this event is fundamentally different than those others, beyond the fact that this event involved hated democrats who it's to the advantage of partisans to attack.

    Like I said, I have no idea what your view of the Iraq war was, but in most of my discussions about this, the same idiots who blindly supported Bush throughout that war and tens of thousands dead, $trillions spent, etc. suddenly found the capacity for outrage with Benghazi. It was OK to lie about WMD and yellow cake and Saddam/AQ allegiances and torture and black sites, and all the rest, but when Obama lies about WHY some terrorists attacked a CIA outpost, NOW they're furious. Does it make sense to you? No. Furthermore, I see the operational failures in light of all the thousands of other operational failures throughout the years, and can't really see what is unique here - people failed to heed warnings and people died. This isn't unique in our RECENT history, as in the 2000s. Thousands dead, tens of thousands injured, many of them from people making stupid decisions.

    jmotivator has addressed this.
    I made several points - he addressed them all? OK...

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    I heard on the news about a potential smoking gun on Benghazi. I kind of shrugged and moved on. Being as old as I am I guess I always figured the Obama Administration was trying to cover up something here, in the IRS and other scandals too. It is just what administrations do when they do not want the public to find out something embarrassing, usually political. Yeah, I read about LBJ using the IRS to get back at his political enemies, attempting to use the IRS was one of the counts used to bring down Nixon, etc. etc. Even my hero Eisenhower lied and tried to cover up the U-2 over flights over Russia.

    So I begin to wonder how many others thought there was a cover up and really don’t care or have come to expect cover ups as business as usual in Washington D.C.? I found a few polls that asked if you think the Obama administration is trying to cover up something on Benghazi.
    One in January of 2013 where 60% said there was a cover up, 25% no cover up
    In May of 2013, where 60% believed in a cover up, 28% didn’t believe there was one.
    The one in August of 2013 showed 62% thought there was a cover up, 27% said no
    And the one taken on April 17, 2014 where 61% says there was a cover up, 26% says no.

    So I am not alone in thinking there was a cover up. But how many people did as I did, shrugged their shoulders and consider it no big thing, cover ups is just what those in Washington do. I couldn’t find any polls on that. I also couldn’t find any polls on changing one’s vote if one thought there was a cover up or if a person would think less of the president if there was one. Perhaps most of us have become so use to cover ups and being lied to by those in Washington, we consider that to be no big deal as that is just what politicians do. I did find a poll on ethics, only 14% of Americans viewed politicians as ethical, as comparison used car salesmen came in at 9%, Lawyers were at 20%, banks at 27%, topping the list was nurses at 82% and grade school teachers at 70%. Lobbyist were at the bottom with only 4% of the American public thinking them ethical.

    So I guess I am back to my original question, do any of us really care if our elected leaders engage in cover ups and lies to us? Perhaps one only care if it is a member of the opposite party doing the cover up and telling the lies? Maybe, just maybe, we all have become immune to this stuff. It has been done it seems since forever. Cover up or not, proved or not, I really doubt if it would change the way people vote in November much either way.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: Benghazi emails suggest White House aide involved in prepping Rice for ‘video’ ex

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post


    So who do we see addressed on this email?

    It's a mix of people from the reelection campaign and senior White House staffers. The purpose of this email was to craft a political message with the disposition of making the administration look better, or at least not any worse, because of this event.

    Since when are senior government officials in the White House allowed to engage in election politics? It's been observed that this is a felony, in violation of The Hatch Act, as no government officials, beside the president and vice president, are allowed to engage in election politicking, and this email clearly demonstrates that they are.
    If this is a violations of the Hatch Act, then nearly every employee of the WH staff violates the Hatch Act with every email, press conference, etc. You're claiming politicians being political is a crime. Every time a WH official appears on TV or the radio - crime. Drafts a press release - crime, etc. It's absurd, and a standard that has never before applied to activities like this, common as dirt since the founding, by Executive branch employees.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    So I guess I am back to my original question, do any of us really care if our elected leaders engage in cover ups and lies to us? Perhaps one only care if it is a member of the opposite party doing the cover up and telling the lies? Maybe, just maybe, we all have become immune to this stuff. It has been done it seems since forever. Cover up or not, proved or not, I really doubt if it would change the way people vote in November much either way.
    Yes, I think there was a coverup. The CIA was doing something we don't know about, and I suspect was targeted in direct retaliation for whatever those activities were. They can never say what those activities were, because they were classified. So the cover up is of those activities, basically. Do I care? I guess, but no more than I can care about all the rest our spooks do overseas that I don't know about. I care less about them than the BIG lie which is the sort of wrapper around our entire ME policy. It's not about security or terrorism in my view, but much broader and raw power related than that - some form of hegemony.

    What confuses me here is the 'cover up' isn't like Iran Contra, for example, where the WH actively hid illegal acts by Executive branch officials, acts they sanctioned directly violating laws addressing those actions. That might have happened here, depending on what the CIA was doing there. But that's not the 'scandal' - the scandal is some weird coverup of the MOTIVE of some terrorists who attacked us, and that the lie wasn't "it was a random act of terror" which would have been a 'good' lie, but allegedly the 'bad lie that it was in retaliation for the video which is for some reason unacceptable. They're both likely lies - the motive was CIA - but the scandal is the WH used a lie that arguably, for a few days, made them look a bit better in the press than claiming the lie this was just a random target of 'terrorists.' I just cannot figure out why I'm supposed to care more than intellectually - yeah, WH spins events to their advantage, and water is wet.

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