Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA[W:545]

ChezC3 · Apr 30, 2014

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Sababa said:
Again your attack on woman is simply a deflection. Yes she is not a hero...in fact it might be a crime. (not certain as it appears there were others present) but the bottom line is that you have consequences where ever you are. If you express something for someone else to hear it and they repeat it to others then there will be consequences. Even in your own home. Once you share your point of view, to however small a group, it is out there. She may not have had a legal right to record it, but that is not relevant to the fact that we know what he said. Just because he thought it was private doesn't change that, in fact it makes it worse as it suggests his public persona is a ruse.

My attack on the woman isn't a deflection I've hit you straight on. My attack on the woman is in addition to the fact because she deserves as much scorn, ridicule, and vitriol as we can muster, just as much as we should have for the racist THAT EVERYONE KNEW WAS RACIST.

The bottom line is you have a reasonable expectation of privacy in your own home. This ridiculous notion that you should "suffer consequences" in the original context of your post and my retort when someone violates your trust and privacy is beyond the pale of normal idiocy the left displays.

Almost everyone has a public persona, EVERYONE. I giggle, giggle I tell you at the holier than thou, my god I'd never say such a thing, I' d never even think it BS you're trying to pass off here, pull that self righteous bus over to the side of the pretentious turnpike would ya?

She didn't have a legal right to record it so far as I know and the ramifications for this are simply ridiculous. Gonna take away someone's property, someone's livelihood over a prejudiced comment said in the privacy of their own home? GOOD GOD are you serious?

505 · Apr 30, 2014

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Sababa said:
You are free to pull your advertising from any of those people, boycott any products they promote and condemn them publicly.

That's exactly the way this Sterling situation should be played. Let the fans boycott the games / not buy merchandise, let the players leave / not sign / not resign, and let him run his franchise into the ground if that's how he really wants to play it. Forcing him out by majority competitor vote like they are planning is just wrong.

Sababa · Apr 30, 2014

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505 said:
That's exactly the way this Sterling situation should be played. Let the fans boycott the games / not buy merchandise, let the players leave / not sign / not resign, and let him run his franchise into the ground if that's how he really wants to play it. Forcing him out by majority competitor vote like they are planning is just wrong.

Nope there is a business agreement that covers this kind of stuff because you are an owner of a franchise at the pleasure of the NBA and they can sanction him. They did. Was it harsh? Maybe, it sets a nuclear standard. We already saw advertisers jumping ship and there was talk of players boycotting and that would her the NBA brand in a big way so the NBA made a business decision, based on societal pressure.

JRSaindo · Apr 30, 2014

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Sababa said:
Again your attack on woman is simply a deflection. Yes she is not a hero...in fact it might be a crime. (not certain as it appears there were others present) but the bottom line is that you have consequences where ever you are. If you express something for someone else to hear it and they repeat it to others then there will be consequences. Even in your own home. Once you share your point of view, to however small a group, it is out there. She may not have had a legal right to record it, but that is not relevant to the fact that we know what he said. Just because he thought it was private doesn't change that, in fact it makes it worse as it suggests his public persona is a ruse.

So say someone you know comes up to you and says "I've been secretly recording our conversations for a couple months and I want $10,000 or I will release the stuff you don't want out there". What would your first reaction be? "I'm a saint and have nothing to hide!" or "Holy crap, what did I say in the last couple months"? Everyone has their skeletons. This isn't about what was said, but the privacy issue. Think about the big picture, not just what some biggoted racist idiot said.

So now anything anyone says in their own private conversations is up for scrutiny? Where do you draw the line? This just opens up pandora's box much like we have with the language police. Don't say N*** unless you happen to be black. Don't make fun of Jews unless you are a jew. Its ridiculously laughable at this point. We can't even have real conversations anymore without saying something that will offend someone. Context doesn't matter anymore to many people.

505 · Apr 30, 2014

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Sababa said:
Nope there is a business agreement that covers this kind of stuff because you are an owner of a franchise at the pleasure of the NBA and they can sanction him. They did. Was it harsh? Maybe, it sets a nuclear standard. We already saw advertisers jumping ship and there was talk of players boycotting and that would her the NBA brand in a big way

Which is arguable. Hurt the Clippers franchise? Absolutely. Hurt the entire league? I doubt it.

so the NBA made a business decision, based on societal pressure.

Which is exactly what I don't like about this. A bunch of babies crying that somebody saying "don't go to my games with black dudes" somehow hurts their feelings SO much, and the guy is now going to lose his business. Grow a pair America, it's not that big of a deal. The guy has been a POS racist slumlord and a crappy owner for decades. It didn't seem to hurt a single one of the people that are now all up in arms over his stupid recent comments.

Sababa · Apr 30, 2014

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JRSaindo said:
So say someone you know comes up to you and says "I've been secretly recording our conversations for a couple months and I want $10,000 or I will release the stuff you don't want out there". What would your first reaction be? "I'm a saint and have nothing to hide!" or "Holy crap, what did I say in the last couple months"? Everyone has their skeletons. This isn't about what was said, but the privacy issue. Think about the big picture, not some biggoted racist idiot.

That would be blackmail and a crime and I would have to live up to my words. Fact is the way we learned about this is not relevant to the fact we did. Unless you say something to clergy, therapist or lawyer the idea of privacy is already compromised. This is about responsibility for your words. Saying something over the phone is even less private as you have no idea who is listening on the other end.

JRSaindo · Apr 30, 2014

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Sababa said:
That would be blackmail and a crime and I would have to live up to my words. Fact is the way we learned about this is not relevant to the fact we did. Unless you say something to clergy, therapist or lawyer the idea of privacy is already compromised. This is about responsibility for your words. Saying something over the phone is even less private as you have no idea who is listening on the other end.

You just don't get it, but whatever. Not worth arguing about since you don't mind having your personal liberties attacked. The recording should be thrown out and inadmissable.

tres borrachos · Apr 30, 2014

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505 said:
Which is arguable. Hurt the Clippers franchise? Absolutely. Hurt the entire league? I doubt it.

Which is exactly what I don't like about this. A bunch of babies crying that somebody saying "don't go to my games with black dudes" somehow hurts their feelings SO much, and the guy is now going to lose his business. Grow a pair America, it's not that big of a deal. The guy has been a POS racist slumlord and a crappy owner for decades. It didn't seem to hurt a single one of the people that are now all up in arms over his stupid recent comments.

Very good.

tres borrachos · Apr 30, 2014

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Jango said:
Bill Clinton and Jesse Jackson said disparaging racial things about President Obama and they weren't fined millions of dollars or banned for life from anything. Snoop Dogg, in his tirade against Donald Sterling, called him 'redneck' and 'white-bred'. Where is the outrage, calls for a boycott, fines and ban for life for his racial comments?

It's okay to call white people from the south names apparently. Even in public.

Sababa · Apr 30, 2014

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505 said:
Which is arguable. Hurt the Clippers franchise? Absolutely. Hurt the entire league? I doubt it.

But you would be wrong. The NBA had already seen criticism over Sterling.

Which is exactly what I don't like about this.

Fine but being upset about reality happens all the time.

A bunch of babies crying that somebody saying "don't go to my games with black dudes" somehow hurts their feelings SO much, and the guy is now going to lose his business.

But that is exactly how it works. If you say something that a vast majority of the society you are in thinks is offensive you will be functionally exiled.

Grow a pair America, it's not that big of a deal.

Except it clearly is.

The guy has been a POS racist slumlord and a crappy owner for decades.

Yes and the NBA failed to address that part and they were called out on it. Go back and read some writers in 2003, 2006 etc. This pushed the NBA to act.

It didn't seem to hurt a single one of the people that are now all up in arms over his stupid recent comments.

Actually racism hurts all of us, regardless of race, because if we allow it to go unchallenged we let it grow.

tres borrachos · Apr 30, 2014

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Bodhisattva said:
ARe you sure it was DeShawn and not LeShawn or KeyShawn or ReShawn or TeShawn instead?

Nope, it was DeShawn. The NBA loved him. The fact that he raped a 14 year old wasn't important. It's much more important to focus on who some guy wants his mistress to take selfies with.

tres borrachos · Apr 30, 2014

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PirateMk1 said:
You think he's pissed and going to fight back then?

I do. He apparently hasn't said one word publicly about all this. He's a former lawyer and loves to sue people. The speculation is that he's been hunkered down with his lawyers coming up with a plan of attack. Time will tell, I guess.

Sababa · Apr 30, 2014

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JRSaindo said:
You just don't get it, but whatever. Not worth arguing about since you don't mind having your personal liberties attacked. The recording should be thrown out and inadmissable.

Where would this recording be inadmissable? Where? IN public opinion? What you don't get it that his civil liberties are intact. He can still be a racist and he can still say those things, and he may have an action against this girl. But the bottom line is the NBA has the right and the responsibility to its brand to do something about it.

There is no court system acting here, there is no government involved. If he challenges the NBA in court then we can talk about the law, but the tape would still be part of the evidence because the question would be whether the franchise agreement does in fact allow the NBA to do this.

tres borrachos · Apr 30, 2014

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soccerboy22 said:
Well with a new Commissioner comes new punishments. I doubt Lowry, Kidd, or Iverson would get the same treatment by Silver as they did by previous commissioners based on how Silver has come out on issues since he got the job in February. Second, I agree with you that this issue of his in total is not that big of a deal, especially compared to what happened with his discrimination law suits. However, the issue has gotten that big, not of a fault of Silver or the League, and it had to be addressed harshly. Owners refuse to even deal with Sterling (causes the League issues), the Player Association actively boycotts the playoffs (causes the League issues), sponsor pull from the team (another League issue), former and current players boycotting (causes the League issues). Really the only team that benefits from this is the Pacers because no one cares about their collapse. However, these are legitimate problems for the League right now, and it is within Silver's right to take action. Since Sterling still owns the team (although that is now in question depending on how the Board votes) a lawsuit would really only lower his ban to a suspension because he really is not losing anything of monetary value. I also don't think the League would have a very hard case either because there are legitimate issues for the League right now.

I am hoping that Sterling sells the team and then Silver just makes all the bans temporary. But if 75% of the Board votes to revoke Sterling's ownership, which is allowed in the NBA Constitution, then it could make Sterling's case harder. What it will do is make Sterling's case against his girlfriend easier.

Your signature line disturbs me.

tres borrachos · Apr 30, 2014

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Jango said:
Bill Clinton and Jesse Jackson said disparaging racial things about President Obama and they weren't fined millions of dollars or banned for life from anything. Snoop Dogg, in his tirade against Donald Sterling, called him 'redneck' and 'white-bred'. Where is the outrage, calls for a boycott, fines and ban for life for his racial comments?

Jesse Jackson proudly admitted in 1969 to spitting in white peoples' food when he was a waiter. It gave him a "a psychological gratification". Right after he admitted that, I remember the backlash against him, and how the black and white Democrats distanced himself from them because his words (public words) were so disturbing that they wanted to make sure everyone knew that they stood in protest against such obvious racism, which by the way also could have been potentially dangerous to the recipients of said spit.

Oh wait.....

tres borrachos · Apr 30, 2014

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Goshin said:
So let me get this straight...

He made PRIVATE remarks to his GF... she recorded them, perhaps illegally... she later released the tape probably in anger... and his private remarks (apparently never meant to be public) are the basis of a lifetime ban from the NBA?

Now someone tell me again what was done to Micheal Vick? :wassat1:

Yup, that's about the size of it.

Let that be a lesson to you. You are not allowed to tell your significant other in private who you want her to take selfies of yourself with, unless you want to be prepared for a national outrage because you don't love everyone.

vesper · Apr 30, 2014

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Kobie said:
Sterling's more than welcome to fight back, but the NBA's got some pretty good lawyers and I doubt Silver would have done this if he wasn't pretty damn confident he could legally.

Well here is the rub. If Silver is going to make Sterling the example that racism will not be tolerated in the NBA then he better call for another press conference today and call for the removal of the New York Knicks Vice President Larry Johnson, who happens to be black and stated via twitter that there should be a “black only league” for basketball and for his previous public remarks for referring to players as "rebellious slaves". How are Sterling's private statements worse than Johnson's public statements? They aren't. The difference is one is a white man the other is a black man. One was a private conversation and the remarks by the black man were public statements that were tolerated. The white man gets hammered the black man gets a pass. On that basis alone it shows unequal treatment of members of the same franchise.

Kobie · Apr 30, 2014

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vesper said:
Well here is the rub. If Silver is going to make Sterling the example that racism will not be tolerated in the NBA then he better call for another press conference today and call for the removal of the New York Knicks Vice President Larry Johnson, who happens to be black and stated via twitter that there should be a “black only league” for basketball and for his previous public remarks for referring to players as "rebellious slaves". How are Sterling's private statements worse than Johnson's public statements? They aren't. The difference is one is a white man the other is a black man. One was a private conversation and the one by the black man were public statements that were tolerated. The white man gets hammered the black man gets a pass. On that basis alone it shows unequal treatment of members of the same franchise.

1. I have a very strong hunch that Larry Johnson's pass ain't gonna last too long. Also, calling him a VP is a tad off ... he's not the heir apparent if James Dolan gets shot. It's a vanity title. But I do think Johnson's comments (rightfully) are going to be dealt with.

2. Sterling's statements are the tip of the iceberg. As I've stated earlier, the heavy penalty was a lifetime achievement award for Sterling being 30 Years A Dickhead.

505 · Apr 30, 2014

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Sababa said:
But you would be wrong. The NBA had already seen criticism over Sterling.

Criticism? Big deal. Did any sponsors drop the league itself? Nope. Did attendance at a single game (Clippers included) drop? Nope. The league would have been just fine with the suspension and the maximum fine. But nooooooo, let's strip the guy of his business too. No place in this world for somebody with different views anymore.

Fine but being upset about reality happens all the time.

Sure does. The liberal intolerant agenda being promoted everywhere is making it more and more frequent too.

But that is exactly how it works. If you say something that a vast majority of the society you are in thinks is offensive you will be functionally exiled.

In liberal land it does. You see, I have this crazy idea that even though I don't agree with somebody, I can still TOLERATE them as long as they aren't a) directly harming me, or b) breaking the law. Beyond that, in my opinion, you can do or think or talk or feel whatever you want. THAT is a FREE country in my book. I don't like this BS "everyone must do exactly like me" groupthink mentality that seems to be taking over this country.

Except it clearly is.

Why? It's not even any of your business who Donald Sterling's girlfriend brings to games. It literally affects NOBODY. Not a big deal in the slightest. Now had he got on twitter or something and said that only whites are allowed in the stadium for the playoffs or something?... oh yeah he's got to go right now because that actually DOES affect others.

Yes and the NBA failed to address that part and they were called out on it. Go back and read some writers in 2003, 2006 etc. This pushed the NBA to act.

Wrong. Silver specifically addressed that in his presser and said that it was these events ALONE that led to this. He clearly said that the past issues did not play any part whatsoever in his ruling.

Actually racism hurts all of us, regardless of race, because if we allow it to go unchallenged we let it grow.

Nowhere am I saying to let it go unchallenged. Again, I agree with the fine and suspension. I merely disagree with taking a person's business away over such a stupid situation.

Kobie · Apr 30, 2014

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Jango said:
Bill Clinton and Jesse Jackson said disparaging racial things about President Obama and they weren't fined millions of dollars or banned for life from anything. Snoop Dogg, in his tirade against Donald Sterling, called him 'redneck' and 'white-bred'. Where is the outrage, calls for a boycott, fines and ban for life for his racial comments?

How does the NBA ban Snoop Dogg?

Bill Clinton and Jesse Jackson weren't fined because there was nobody to fine them, either via existence or inclination. The fine, and suspension, were the decision of the NBA. Not the government, not you, not me, not Jesse Jackson, not Al Sharpton.

It was a business decision. Just like the Mozilla guy, just like the Duck Dynasty guy, just like Paula Deen, Alec Baldwin, Martin Bashir. **** with the brand, the brand ****s you.

Kobie · Apr 30, 2014

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505 said:
Criticism? Big deal. Did any sponsors drop the league itself? Nope. Did attendance at a single game (Clippers included) drop? Nope. The league would have been just fine with the suspension and the maximum fine.

Apparently not.

NBPA vice president Roger Mason Jr., says players were ready to boycott if Donald Sterling wasn't banned - ESPN

Sponsors ponder deals with Los Angeles Clippers over Donald Sterling's purported racist comments - ESPN Los Angeles

505 · Apr 30, 2014

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Kobie said:
Apparently not.

NBPA vice president Roger Mason Jr., says players were ready to boycott if Donald Sterling wasn't banned - ESPN

Kinda funny that they didn't act beforehand and only say that they were GONNA do it after the fact.

Sponsors ponder deals with Los Angeles Clippers over Donald Sterling's purported racist comments - ESPN Los Angeles

Clippers there, not league... which I had already said, and that article more proves my point. The league itself would be unharmed if they left it at the suspension and max fine.

Kobie · Apr 30, 2014

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505 said:
Kinda funny that they didn't act beforehand and only say that they were GONNA do it after the fact.

Crystal ball's broken.

505 said:
Clippers there, not league... which I had already said, and that article more proves my point. The league itself would be unharmed if they left it at the suspension and max fine.

Still broken.

Sababa · Apr 30, 2014

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505 said:
Criticism? Big deal. Did any sponsors drop the league itself? Nope. Did attendance at a single game (Clippers included) drop? Nope. The league would have been just fine with the suspension and the maximum fine. But nooooooo, let's strip the guy of his business too. No place in this world for somebody with different views anymore.

yes because of the structure of any way the NBA works sponsorships effect everyone. The players from other teams were talking about boycotting Clippers games if he kept the ownership (which he still has by the way). If those different views are disgusting then yes there is no place in the NBA world for that.

Sure does. The liberal intolerant agenda being promoted everywhere is making it more and more frequent too.

I guess you don't like being held accountable for distasteful opinions....oh well I am glad we live in a world where certain kinds of bigotry are socially unacceptable.

In liberal land it does. You see, I have this crazy idea that even though I don't agree with somebody, I can still TOLERATE them as long as they aren't a) directly harming me, or b) breaking the law. Beyond that, in my opinion, you can do or think or talk or feel whatever you want. THAT is a FREE country in my book. I don't like this BS "everyone must do exactly like me" groupthink mentality that seems to be taking over this country.

Nobody is saying you can't have your own beliefs what the NBA is saying that you can't be part of their club. If a member of the NRA board joined Michael Bloomberg on stage and called for strict gun regulations, should they have to keep him on the board?

Why? It's not even any of your business who Donald Sterling's girlfriend brings to games. It literally affects NOBODY. Not a big deal in the slightest. Now had he got on twitter or something and said that only whites are allowed in the stadium for the playoffs or something?... oh yeah he's got to go right now because that actually DOES affect others.

If you think it is just simply about who she brings to games then you are lost.

Wrong. Silver specifically addressed that in his presser and said that it was these events ALONE that led to this. He clearly said that the past issues did not play any part whatsoever in his ruling.

That is what I said. In the past the NBA didn't act and took heat. They couldn't let this slide, it pushed them over to act.

Nowhere am I saying to let it go unchallenged. Again, I agree with the fine and suspension. I merely disagree with taking a person's business away over such a stupid situation.

why it is none of your business according to your own statements above.

soccerboy22 · Apr 30, 2014

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tres borrachos said:
Your signature line disturbs me.

Don't worry. I will not judge you on your lesser sporting teams.

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