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Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA[W:545]

Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

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Unless the NSA does it, of course.
Don't even get me started on that one man. The whole point of surveillance law is that one must be licensed in the state they want to conduct it in(P.I.) and even then there are limitations. For official surveillance like police or any other agencies there is supposed to be probable cause, a warrant issued, and other protections to insure that the person being watched isn't having their rights violated in the process.
 
Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

Michael Vick killed some ****ing dogs and he was back in the NFL within 4 years. Kyle Lowry basically assaulted somebody and he's still in the NBA. Jason Kidd beat the living **** out of his wife and nothing happened to him. Alen Iverson was allowed to play in the NBA after being convicted of basically beating someone down with a chair. I didn't care about his comments and now that I've heard the punishment, I hope he sues the living **** out of the NBA. I hope he makes a ****load of noise and makes life a living hell for them. There is absolutely NO reason this should have gotten as far as it did. A fine of $100K? Sure.

Well with a new Commissioner comes new punishments. I doubt Lowry, Kidd, or Iverson would get the same treatment by Silver as they did by previous commissioners based on how Silver has come out on issues since he got the job in February. Second, I agree with you that this issue of his in total is not that big of a deal, especially compared to what happened with his discrimination law suits. However, the issue has gotten that big, not of a fault of Silver or the League, and it had to be addressed harshly. Owners refuse to even deal with Sterling (causes the League issues), the Player Association actively boycotts the playoffs (causes the League issues), sponsor pull from the team (another League issue), former and current players boycotting (causes the League issues). Really the only team that benefits from this is the Pacers because no one cares about their collapse. However, these are legitimate problems for the League right now, and it is within Silver's right to take action. Since Sterling still owns the team (although that is now in question depending on how the Board votes) a lawsuit would really only lower his ban to a suspension because he really is not losing anything of monetary value. I also don't think the League would have a very hard case either because there are legitimate issues for the League right now.

I am hoping that Sterling sells the team and then Silver just makes all the bans temporary. But if 75% of the Board votes to revoke Sterling's ownership, which is allowed in the NBA Constitution, then it could make Sterling's case harder. What it will do is make Sterling's case against his girlfriend easier.
 
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You think he's pissed and going to fight back then?

He's fought every other accusation of racism in court and I believe he's been successful each time. What else has he got to do with his time at 80? Crusty old guys don't usually give in if they feel healthy and up for the fight, and since he's got very deep pockets he can waste tens of millions on legal fees if he has to. In my view, the league has forced him into a fight. A more reasonable sanction may have been quietly accepted, but this one not so much. The NBA may have this in the news for years to come because of this decision and that's not good PR.
 
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Well, you're wrong.

I don't think so. His property rights have been violated while using an illegal form of wiretapping in the state of California as a means to build the case to do so. If this **** is allowed to continue you or I might be the next victim down the road for whatever.
 
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It's pretty obvious to me that the harshness of this penalty against Sterling is not just based on this most recent incident. Call it a lifetime achievement award. Sterling was handled with kid gloves by David Stern for 30 years, and many people turned a blind eye toward or rationalized his many incidents of discriminatory behavior. And I have no doubt that Silver was in contact with Stern, his mentor, over this issue, and I'd be willing to bet Stern told Silver to throw the book at him.
 
Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

I don't think so. His property rights have been violated while using an illegal form of wiretapping in the state of California as a means to build the case to do so. If this **** is allowed to continue you or I might be the next victim down the road for whatever.

Wrong again. The NBA does not have to adhere to the same burden of proof as the state. They are a private entity and they can do what they want within the confines of their mutually agreed-upon bylaws. "Rights" do not enter the equation at all.

We might be the next victim to be ... banned for life from the NBA? Well, I can't shoot a lick anymore, so I guess that's the punishment I'll have to accept.
 
Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

It's pretty obvious to me that the harshness of this penalty against Sterling is not just based on this most recent incident. Call it a lifetime achievement award. Sterling was handled with kid gloves by David Stern for 30 years, and many people turned a blind eye toward or rationalized his many incidents of discriminatory behavior. And I have no doubt that Silver was in contact with Stern, his mentor, over this issue, and I'd be willing to bet Stern told Silver to throw the book at him.

He better be ready to duck because the book might come flying back at him if Sterling fights. He seems to be the type that would fight by his history.
 
Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

He is part of a large corporation, he has to live by the rules of that corporation. The NBA saw the risk in having one of its people in a high visibility role, so they did what they had to. Business decision, capitalism. Are you anti business and anti capitalist?
I believe in fairness for all. Capitalism has nothing to do with this. I believe the man's property rights have been violated due to a corporation or a select group of people who passed judgment on information obtained by an illegal wire tap according to California laws.
 
Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

It's pretty obvious to me that the harshness of this penalty against Sterling is not just based on this most recent incident. Call it a lifetime achievement award. Sterling was handled with kid gloves by David Stern for 30 years, and many people turned a blind eye toward or rationalized his many incidents of discriminatory behavior. And I have no doubt that Silver was in contact with Stern, his mentor, over this issue, and I'd be willing to bet Stern told Silver to throw the book at him.

Well, if Stern told Silver to throw the book at him after Stern did nothing, then Stern is a POS coward.
 
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I'll have to start a support group - I'm sure some good liberal in government will give me a grant to get the thing started, don't you think?

And Good Evening Lady P. - a piss-poor rainy, windy day here today and looks like we have a forecast for rain for the next week or so - those April showers are apparently going to bring May showers!

Well, I don't know about your support group. Are there any poor old white liberal men? I don't think they exist! :mrgreen: It's only those wretched redneck Repubs who cause problems for everyone, you know.

Rainy and windy here today, too. It's sunny currently, but that's only till tonight when the rain returns. And do you know why the rain will return? - it's because there is a 20-foot long section of gutter at my house that apparently suffered ice damage this past Winter, and it's leaking like crazy and needs replaced now! The gutter company will be here tomorrow, I hope! Do you know if they work in the rain? :lol:
 
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He better be ready to duck because the book might come flying back at him if Sterling fights. He seems to be the type that would fight by his history.

Sterling's more than welcome to fight back, but the NBA's got some pretty good lawyers and I doubt Silver would have done this if he wasn't pretty damn confident he could legally.
 
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I believe in fairness for all. Capitalism has nothing to do with this. I believe the man's property rights have been violated due to a corporation or a select group of people who passed judgment on information obtained by an illegal wire tap according to California laws.

He belongs to this corporation, he is a franchisee, he has to adhere to the standards they set. He has to agree to this to belong. I heard another former NBA owner on the radio today, these owners are vetted and they have to live up to certain morals clauses.

Nothing unfair, you want to own a team in the NBA, you have some rules to follow.
 
Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

He better be ready to duck because the book might come flying back at him if Sterling fights. He seems to be the type that would fight by his history.

Maybe. Although it isn't known exactly known what rights owners waive in the NBA constitution, it is known that they waive some of their rights to sue the NBA. I doubt Silver would've done it if it were going to be relatively easy for Sterling to fight back.
 
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Well, if Stern told Silver to throw the book at him after Stern did nothing, then Stern is a POS coward.

I won't argue with that.
 
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Well, I don't know about your support group. Are there any poor old white liberal men? I don't think they exist! :mrgreen: It's only those wretched redneck Repubs who cause problems for everyone, you know.

Rainy and windy here today, too. It's sunny currently, but that's only till tonight when the rain returns. And do you know why the rain will return? - it's because there is a 20-foot long section of gutter at my house that apparently suffered ice damage this past Winter, and it's leaking like crazy and needs replaced now! The gutter company will be here tomorrow, I hope! Do you know if they work in the rain? :lol:

Gutters are supposed to work in the rain :mrgreen:
 
Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

Wrong again. The NBA does not have to adhere to the same burden of proof as the state. They are a private entity and they can do what they want within the confines of their mutually agreed-upon bylaws. "Rights" do not enter the equation at all.

We might be the next victim to be ... banned for life from the NBA? Well, I can't shoot a lick anymore, so I guess that's the punishment I'll have to accept.

Now if a corporation refused to hire blacks you would call that unconstitutional correct?
Same concept applies to a corporation violating a person's right to property.
 
Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

Well, if Stern told Silver to throw the book at him after Stern did nothing, then Stern is a POS coward.

Stern is not only a pos coward, he's a ****ing @#$%sucker.
 
Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

Michael Vick plead guilty and served 21 months in prison, not like he got off easy.

He did get off easy. Its not like he was banned for life.
 
Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

Now if a corporation refused to hire blacks you would call that unconstitutional correct?

Not necessarily unconstitutional, but it's a violation of labor law.

Same concept applies to a corporation violating a person's right to property.

Since when was "right to property" a constitutional concept?
 
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He belongs to this corporation, he is a franchisee, he has to adhere to the standards they set. He has to agree to this to belong. I heard another former NBA owner on the radio today, these owners are vetted and they have to live up to certain morals clauses.

Nothing unfair, you want to own a team in the NBA, you have some rules to follow.

And if you want to run a corporation in this country you have a few constitutional laws that you must follow.
 
Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

He belongs to this corporation, he is a franchisee, he has to adhere to the standards they set. He has to agree to this to belong. I heard another former NBA owner on the radio today, these owners are vetted and they have to live up to certain morals clauses.

Nothing unfair, you want to own a team in the NBA, you have some rules to follow.

I think the courts have been lousy with franchise suits and case law and just because something is in a franchisee contract doesn't mean a court won't say it's unenforceable and unfair on its face.
 
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Sterling's more than welcome to fight back, but the NBA's got some pretty good lawyers and I doubt Silver would have done this if he wasn't pretty damn confident he could legally.

It is interesting you said that. My Sports Law professor emailed us this article saying I am sure we would find it interesting. It does a pretty good job explaining both side's legal arguments. Donald Sterling, NBA set for epic legal fight over Clippers - NBA - Michael McCann - SI.com
 
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Gotta love the NBA. Black players make racist remarks and they do nothing, white owner makes racist remarks ban him for life.

I remember when the NBA had their theme song as, "Lets get retarded". They have clearly lived up to it here.
 
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And if you want to run a corporation in this country you have a few constitutional laws that you must follow.

I'm somehow starting to think you don't understand what the Constitution does.
 
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Sterling's more than welcome to fight back, but the NBA's got some pretty good lawyers and I doubt Silver would have done this if he wasn't pretty damn confident he could legally.

NFL thought the same way with Al Davis and the Raiders. Didn't work out so well. Sterling has a valid legal case the more I look at what happened. I think it will be fun to watch the old bastard screw with the NBA, if he decides to that is.
 
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