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    Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    I'm somehow starting to think you don't understand what the Constitution does.
    Well you can think all you want whatever you want but not even the rules of a corporation can violate an individual's rights to their property. As the owner of the clippers he has been banned from all NBA activities he can no longer watch a game of the team he owns. I see that as a property rights violation.
    Let's define personhood.- "Persons" are one of the two main classes which are the subject of rights, powers, and duties, the other being "citizens". Persons may be "natural" or "corporate". "Citizens" are a subclass of "natural persons". Each government may also establish, within its jurisdiction, "corporate persons" such as governmental entities, associations, trusts, corporations, or partnerships, in addition to the Common Law "natural" persons, but the "personhood" of such corporate entities is not created by the government. Its corporate personhood derives from the personhood of its members. Corporate persons must be aggregates of natural persons. Corporate persons must aggregate not violating individual basic natural rights. Sterling is an asshole but an asshole with rights. The NBA in its attempt to distant itself from a known racist may have gone over the top and violated Sterlings constitutional rights in the process.

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    Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    Well you can think all you want whatever you want but not even the rules of a corporation can violate an individual's rights to their property. As the owner of the clippers he has been banned from all NBA activities he can no longer watch a game of the team he owns. I see that as a property rights violation.
    Let's define personhood.- "Persons" are one of the two main classes which are the subject of rights, powers, and duties, the other being "citizens". Persons may be "natural" or "corporate". "Citizens" are a subclass of "natural persons". Each government may also establish, within its jurisdiction, "corporate persons" such as governmental entities, associations, trusts, corporations, or partnerships, in addition to the Common Law "natural" persons, but the "personhood" of such corporate entities is not created by the government. Its corporate personhood derives from the personhood of its members. Corporate persons must be aggregates of natural persons. Corporate persons must aggregate not violating individual basic natural rights. Sterling is an asshole but an asshole with rights. The NBA in its attempt to distant itself from a known racist may have gone over the top and violated Sterlings constitutional rights in the process.
    Property rights are not enshrined in the constitution. Donald Sterling does not have a right to own an NBA team. He entered into a voluntary arrangement, and he broke the terms of that arrangement.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Property rights are not enshrined in the constitution. Donald Sterling does not have a right to own an NBA team. He entered into a voluntary arrangement, and he broke the terms of that arrangement.
    But the definition of "natural rights" are "life, liberty, and property"
    To acquire, have and use the means necessary to exercise the above natural rights and pursue happiness, specifically including:


    (1) A private residence, from which others may be excluded.

    (2) Tools needed for one's livelihood.

    (3) Personal property, which others may be denied the use of.

    (4) Arms suitable for personal and community defense.

    A corporation does not have the right to deny one his natural rights

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    Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
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    Me, too! They're calling for a half-inch of rain before morning, so if they make it to my house tomorrow, I should be okay. Saturated foundation problems I don't need!

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    Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Fabulous View Post
    Here it is straight from the horses mouth...

    Sterling Banned For Life: Opening Statement - ESPN Video - ESPN
    I meant giving the money to organizations that supposedly promote diversity or whatever they say they do.

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    Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    But the definition of "natural rights" are "life, liberty, and property"
    To acquire, have and use the means necessary to exercise the above natural rights and pursue happiness, specifically including:


    (1) A private residence, from which others may be excluded.

    (2) Tools needed for one's livelihood.

    (3) Personal property, which others may be denied the use of.

    (4) Arms suitable for personal and community defense.

    A corporation does not have the right to deny one his natural rights
    "Natural rights" are not part of the Constitution. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say anyone is entitled to a private residence, tools needed for livelihood, personal property, or weapons.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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    Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Excellent article - thanks for sharing. I personally hope Sterling takes the NBA to court. I particularly like the part were the author mentions that Sterling, having owned the Clippers for 33 years, probably has had conversations with other owners during which they may have made similar or other racist or derogatory comments and the threat that such would be exposed in court may cause the owners to back down.

    Get out the popcorn, this should be fun!!
    Well like the article said, which I tend to agree with, unless the League revokes his ownership then he will have a hard road. If it came to the League taking his ownership rights, I think he would win that one.
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    Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    "Natural rights" are not part of the Constitution. Nowhere in the Constitution does it say anyone is entitled to a private residence, tools needed for livelihood, personal property, or weapons.
    That's correct but they are part of the Declaration of Independence. The basis for the Constitution. They come from the philosophies of John Locke who the founders were very much influenced. And they are very much protected in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.

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    Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Los Angeles Clippers owner Donald Sterling will be banned for life and fined $2.5 million for racist comments, NBA commissioner Adam Silver announced Tuesday.

    The move comes after days of outrage at ugly words attributed to Sterling from a taped conversation with an ex-girlfriend.

    The comments, where the owner seemed to say he didn't want his much-younger girlfriend hanging out with Black people on Instagram or bringing them to games, were first by TMZ and then in another recording posted on the website Deadspin.


    The NBA had said it was unable to authenticate the tapes, but Sterling's wife told KABC-TV in Los Angeles that it was her husband on the recordings.

    At a press conference on Tuesday afternoon, Commissioner Silver said an investigation had confirmed that the voice on the tapes and the "hateful opinions voiced" were those of Sterling.


    Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA - NBC News



    So let me get this straight...

    He made PRIVATE remarks to his GF... she recorded them, perhaps illegally... she later released the tape probably in anger... and his private remarks (apparently never meant to be public) are the basis of a lifetime ban from the NBA?

    Now someone tell me again what was done to Micheal Vick?

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    Re: Clippers Owner Donald Sterling Fined $2.5M and Banned for Life by NBA

    Quote Originally Posted by vesper View Post
    That's correct but they are part of the Declaration of Independence. The basis for the Constitution. They come from the philosophies of John Locke who the founders were very much influenced. And they are very much protected in the Fifth and Fourteenth Amendments.
    Not from the actions taken by the NBA.
    Freedom of speech is not freedom from criticism.

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