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Toyota Moving US Headquarters to Texas

Wiseone said:
Texas receives about 58 billion dollars more in federal spending than it pays in federal taxes, do for yourself and give it back please.
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Why do you think that is? You don't suppose that some of that has to do with the 7 Air Force bases, 9 Army bases, and 4 Navy bases do you? Or maybe because it's the 7th most popular state to retire to?
 
Dittohead not! said:
It was not for rent. It was for sale.

Cheap, since people are leaving California in droves.
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We both know that homes in California are extremely over priced.

Some communities like San Francisco, Manhattan Beach, Newport Beach and wherever the rich liberal elite live keep prices over inflated to keep the undesirables out.

I believe the WSJ link I provided above mentioned that the average home in Texas is 60% cheaper than in California.

This morning I heard mentioned re: businesses abandoning unfriendly nanny state California and relocating to Texas that the average median priced home in California was $420 K while in Texas it's around $150 K. That California's highest state income tax bracket is 13% while in Texas it's 0%.
 
APACHERAT said:
We both know that homes in California are extremely over priced.

Some communities like San Francisco, Manhattan Beach, Newport Beach and wherever the rich liberal elite live keep prices over inflated to keep the undesirables out.

I believe the WSJ link I provided above mentioned that the average home in Texas is 60% cheaper than in California.

This morning I heard mentioned re: businesses abandoning unfriendly nanny state California and relocating to Texas that the average median priced home in California was $420 K while in Texas it's around $150 K. That California's highest state income tax bracket is 13% while in Texas it's 0%.
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If people are leaving California, and if the laws of supply and demand are still operating, then it follows that home prices in California should be dropping, does it not?

unless, of course, the "rich liberal elite" have actually managed to manipulate the price despite widespread availability of homes.

Didn't someone already post a map of the US showing growth of GDP by state? Didn't both Texas and California make it into the top growth states?

What does that say about the correlation between liberalism and economic growth?
 
LowDown said:
Toyota moving U.S. headquarters to Texas



Toyota is one of the higher profile companies to do this. There are many others. Some come to Texas, others to other states.

We'd prefer it if the Californians who move to Texas to keep their jobs don't bring the ideology that ruined California with them.

Texans do for themselves, they don't look to the government for everything. We like it that way.
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Maybe shedding a lot of those pantywaste Liberal ******s is part of their moving strategy.
 
TheNextEra said:
So Texans don't accept ANY federal money? Otherwise Texans don't do for themselves.
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He said Texans, not liberal wastoids that moved in or were brainwashed by the feds. Also, if Texans had been allowed to do what they wanted for decades, there would be a lot less of that money coming in. It's the federal government and the Libtards that are forcing that crap onto us, not real Texans.
 
DVSentinel said:
He said Texans, not liberal wastoids that moved in or were brainwashed by the feds. Also, if Texans had been allowed to do what they wanted for decades, there would be a lot less of that money coming in. It's the federal government and the Libtards that are forcing that crap onto us, not real Texans.
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Oh ok, so now you are claiming no right-leaning Texan accepts ANY federal money right? NONE, Zip, Nada anywhere correct?
 
Wiseone said:
I don't recall, but that sounds like the most massive of government hand outs. You would really support buying a house for the poor people in this country? Sounds like a good way to make real estate prices blow way out of proportion to their actual value, I don't think we need another housing bubble.
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I would much rather buy them a house and arrange mortgage payments they could afford so people could have pride of ownership rather then see the same money going to slumlords so after 20 years the people have nothing.
 
APACHERAT said:
We both know that homes in California are extremely over priced.
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This is no joke!

And trust me, I can affirm this first hand.

The house I grew up in is in the LA area, and my parents sold it in 1975 for around $35,000. 2 bedroom, 1 bath bungalow at less then 800 square feet.

The market price today? Just under $435k.

And no, I am not kidding.

17510 Martha St, Encino, CA 91316 - Zillow

And if you want to rent it, be prepared to shell out around $2,000 a month. Driving around California, you often see "Affordable Housing" going for $650k+. In Texas, I saw the same sized homes on bigger lots for 1/10 that price.
 
APACHERAT said:
The 60 is just me quoting KFI's John and Ken. They used that number of 60 companies in less than a year who have left California for Texas.
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Most people in here would have no idea who Joh and Ken are. Other then some of their antics during the OJ trial they have largely become forgotten.

But they are radio talk show hosts, and have been doing their show for over 20 years. Libertarian for the most part, their own special targets are political corruption and miscarriages in the legal system. They are on I Heart Radio, 4-7 PM Pacific time. I listen to them and Bill Handel every day on my drive to and from work, thanks to Internet radio.

Those shows are about the only thing I miss from LA.
 
azgreg said:
Why do you think that is? You don't suppose that some of that has to do with the 7 Air Force bases, 9 Army bases, and 4 Navy bases do you? Or maybe because it's the 7th most popular state to retire to?
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Still counts as Federal dollars spent in the state, Texas Congressmen lobby hard for their military bases precisely because it comes with so much money

Erod said:
I challenge any state to match our roads. They're wider, smoother, and constantly being improved. That's just simply not true.
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I've only ever driven the interstate which was pretty good, but its good everywhere and its paid for by federal dollars. I did post a source though to give an example of what I was talking about, did you see it?
 
Wiseone said:
Still counts as Federal dollars spent in the state, Texas Congressmen lobby hard for their military bases precisely because it comes with so much money
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Actually, the bases that are there have been there for a century or more, and can't be moved anywhere else.

Case in point, Fort Bliss. They are moving the 1st Armored Division there for a reason, the huge training area that is part of the base. And most of the Air Defense units are stationed there because it and the attached White Sands Missile Range are the only places in the continental US that they can test their missiles.

Very few states lobby to close their bases, other then California because they see the bases as gigantic dollar signs that they can sell and make huge amounts of money.
 
azgreg said:
Why do you think that is? You don't suppose that some of that has to do with the 7 Air Force bases, 9 Army bases, and 4 Navy bases do you? Or maybe because it's the 7th most popular state to retire to?
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Oozlefinch said:
Actually, the bases that are there have been there for a century or more, and can't be moved anywhere else.

Case in point, Fort Bliss. They are moving the 1st Armored Division there for a reason, the huge training area that is part of the base. And most of the Air Defense units are stationed there because it and the attached White Sands Missile Range are the only places in the continental US that they can test their missiles.

Very few states lobby to close their bases, other then California because they see the bases as gigantic dollar signs that they can sell and make huge amounts of money.
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Texas has some nice training areas but there are nice training areas everywhere in the country, plus other bases like Fort Sam Houston which just house major command headquarters and nothing else could literally be anywhere.

But either way it still counts as money coming from the Federal government which, while doesn't go directly to the state budget, generates a lot of revenue and economic growth for the state in the form of Soldiers spending money in the state and thus supporting businesses plus contractors coming to support those Soldiers and their equipment following as well.
 
Oozlefinch said:
Most people in here would have no idea who Joh and Ken are. Other then some of their antics during the OJ trial they have largely become forgotten.

But they are radio talk show hosts, and have been doing their show for over 20 years. Libertarian for the most part, their own special targets are political corruption and miscarriages in the legal system. They are on I Heart Radio, 4-7 PM Pacific time. I listen to them and Bill Handel every day on my drive to and from work, thanks to Internet radio.

Those shows are about the only thing I miss from LA.
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Tune into the Tim Conway show right after John and Ken at 7:00 PM. Probably the best entertainment on the radio. Tim Conway is the son of Tim Conway of McChales Navy.

Clear Channel's KFI has gone from conservative talk radio to libertarian talk radio. All of the conservative programing have just recently been moved over to the "Patriot Radio Station" KEIB AM including Rush Limbaugh. KEIB is the former sports talk radio, KTALK AM station in L.A. It's now broadcasting at 50,000 watts. But I think it's directional.

Hasn't Clear Channel done the same thing in San Fransisco ?
 
Wiseone said:
Texas has some nice training areas but there are nice training areas everywhere in
the country, plus other bases like Fort Sam Houston which just house major command headquarters and nothing else could literally be anywhere.

But either way it still counts as money coming from the Federal government which, while doesn't go directly to the state budget, generates a lot of revenue and economic growth for the state in the form of Soldiers spending money in the state and thus supporting businesses plus contractors coming to support those Soldiers and their equipment following as well.
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But its not really relevent to the fact that Texas is growing economically by staying true to the Conservative economic principles that Democrats claim don't work.

Texas is building onto a already 10 Billion dollar Surplus by lowering taxes and incentivizing Corporate investment.

According to the left none of that works.

Thats whats so great about this story.

Toyota chose a Conservative state over a State thats decidingly left wing and even incurred the substantial expense to make the move.
 
ludin said:
It is just a matter of time before texas, Fl and other states become the financial hub of the US. unforunatly when they do this people move and bring their idiocy i mean ideology with them.

just look at CO for example. a lot of the people in CO are transplants to CO from CA.
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I'm glad for the good paying jobs but, sad all those people might move here. Our water situation is only getting worse.
 
WCH said:
I'm glad for the good paying jobs but, sad all those people might move here. Our water situation is only getting worse.
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Im sure Toyota did a pretty thorough cost analysis before making the final decision to move here.

And I have to assume they took everything into consideration include the possibility of extended water shortages and the impact it would have on their Bussiness and employees.
 
Fenton said:
Im sure Toyota did a pretty thorough cost analysis before making the final decision to move here.

And I have to assume they took everything into consideration include the possibility of extended water shortages and the impact it would have on their Bussiness and employees.
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and I'm pretty sure that abundance of water is not one of the reasons that any business wants to come to or stay in California or Texas either one.
 
Fenton said:
Im sure Toyota did a pretty thorough cost analysis before making the final decision to move here.

And I have to assume they took everything into consideration include the possibility of extended water shortages and the impact it would have on their Businesses and employees.
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Likely but, there's been a lot of blind eyes concerning the water situation.
 
Fenton said:
But its not really relevent to the fact that Texas is growing economically by staying true to the Conservative economic principles that Democrats claim don't work.

Texas is building onto a already 10 Billion dollar Surplus by lowering taxes and incentivizing Corporate investment.

According to the left none of that works.

Thats whats so great about this story.

Toyota chose a Conservative state over a State thats decidingly left wing and even incurred the substantial expense to make the move.
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It would be naive to believe that Toyota decided to move to Texas simply because of local politics, it may be a factor and I give credit to Texas for having a business friendly environment (I can only speak for myself not the ambiguous "left" that you're concerned with).
 
TheNextEra said:
Oh ok, so now you are claiming no right-leaning Texan accepts ANY federal money right? NONE, Zip, Nada anywhere correct?
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How does accepting federal money translate into "not doing for themselves"? Yes, there are those who have federal pensions that they've earned. Texas also contributes the largest amount of people to the Military of any state, so yes, they get federal monies. People who work on highway projects, etc, get some monies from the Federal government for working on Federal Highways and projects. There are retirees that get Social Security and Medicare (of course they paid for them over a lifetime of labor, not exactly handouts like welfare).

Outside of those, you might possibly find one or two that leach unearned income out of the federal government who act like leftist but claim not to be.
 
Fenton said:
Im sure Toyota did a pretty thorough cost analysis before making the final decision to move here.

And I have to assume they took everything into consideration include the possibility of extended water shortages and the impact it would have on their Bussiness and employees.
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Actually, having lived in both California and Texas, the water shortages in Texas are nothing like those in California.
 
Wiseone said:
It would be naive to believe that Toyota decided to move to Texas simply because of local politics, it may be a factor and I give credit to Texas for having a business friendly environment (I can only speak for myself not the ambiguous "left" that you're concerned with).
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Companies as a general rule do not move to where state governments are friendly, as much as away from where they are unfriendly.

If a company is happy where it is, they will almost never pack up and move to a new location, especially with all of the costs involved. But they will do so if they see the condition where they are at becomes untenable. This is becoming the status of a business in California. And I expect the exodus to increase even faster in the coming years.
 
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