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    Re: Toyota Moving US Headquarters to Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I never said it was unfair, but don't act as if Texas is just helpless in the face of all these Federal dollars. You don't think their congressmen lobby and push for that spending in their own state? They want it and they go looking for it.
    Well I'm sure you can prove that and document how the decision to place all those federal installations in Texas was made. Go for it.
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    Re: Toyota Moving US Headquarters to Texas

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    Well I'm sure you can prove that and document how the decision to place all those federal installations in Texas was made. Go for it.
    The decision to place many of these installations isn't relevant, many of them started life as simple forts on the frontier or training installations during WW2 but you don't think that Texan Congressmen didn't support and work towards expanding several of them after their function in that regard was over into modern permanent military facilities, and thus enjoy all the windfall that would bring, youre nuts.

    These places bring in a lot of money, it would be absurd to suggest that the state legislator or the Congressmen from Texas are completely apathetic towards it.

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    Re: Toyota Moving US Headquarters to Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Texas receives about 58 billion dollars more in federal spending than it pays in federal taxes, do for yourself and give it back please.
    That is true of many states. Federal income taxes are very progressive so states with a lower cost of living (and lower average income) will generally get more in federal benefits than they pay in taxes. Texas also has many retirees getting SS/Medicare that may have worked in other states but chose to retire in Texas because of the mild winters, lower cost of living and no state income taxes.
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    Re: Toyota Moving US Headquarters to Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I didn't disagree with you I was just wondering why it was relevant.



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    Re: Toyota Moving US Headquarters to Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Gipper View Post
    That's better. Besides, Houston is too hot and rainy.
    All of Texas is hot, and most of it dry. It was 100 degrees here in south Texas yesterday. I would take rain any day.
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    Re: Toyota Moving US Headquarters to Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    I've only ever driven the interstate which was pretty good, but its good everywhere and its paid for by federal dollars. I did post a source though to give an example of what I was talking about, did you see it?
    Oh, I thought it was paid for by tax payers.
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    Re: Toyota Moving US Headquarters to Texas

    According to this, both Texas and California are net tax contributors to the federal government.
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    Re: Toyota Moving US Headquarters to Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The decision to place many of these installations isn't relevant, many of them started life as simple forts on the frontier or training installations during WW2 but you don't think that Texan Congressmen didn't support and work towards expanding several of them after their function in that regard was over into modern permanent military facilities, and thus enjoy all the windfall that would bring, youre nuts.

    These places bring in a lot of money, it would be absurd to suggest that the state legislator or the Congressmen from Texas are completely apathetic towards it.
    The decision to place them, the who and why and how the money is targeted, IS relevant though if partisans are going to point at a state and accuse it of receiving more in federal money than it pays in taxes and suggest that the state should do more, pay more, or somehow be more self sufficient.
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    Re: Toyota Moving US Headquarters to Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    Look its perfectly fine to be proud of your state, but to take success an excuse to be a dick is uncool. Texas is good for business, there's no doubt its had some good governance in regard to attracting business and the ease of doing business once your established plus favorable tax rates as well. But that comes with a cost as well, despite all the revenue and economic growth Texas has trouble with even simply matters like keeping its roads paved.

    Plan to Convert Roads to Gravel Begins Despite Pushback | The Texas Tribune

    You'd think with a mutli-million dollar oil boom chewing up local roads not designed for that kind of traffic could produce the tax dollars required to maintain or improve those roads, but instead the plan is to unimprove them and return to gravel roads.

    Either way its more complicated than just local politics, things like the development of fracking can give states big economic booms with no effort by government, and in the end both California and Texas were top performers in economic growth among US states. So stop economic shifts like a business moving to a new location as some indisputable sign about the superiority

    List of U.S. states by economic growth rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    It's so touching to see you so concerned about the condition of Texas roads. We don't all drive Land Rovers for nothing.

    I doubt that Toyota and all those other companies moved to Texas for the fracking. I think it has more to do with state and local government policies and the fact that a company can do business for 20% less in taxes, fees, etc..

    I'm sure the roads in blue states are really nice.

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    Re: Toyota Moving US Headquarters to Texas

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    It's so touching to see you so concerned about the condition of Texas roads. We don't all drive Land Rovers for nothing.

    I doubt that Toyota and all those other companies moved to Texas for the fracking. I think it has more to do with state and local government policies and the fact that a company can do business for 20% less in taxes, fees, etc..

    I'm sure the roads in blue states are really nice.
    I didn't say they moved for the fracking I said there are other factors that lead to economic growth that can be totally unrelated to the actions of the government of the state, fracking was just an example. But in regards to Toyota specifically your own article states reasons in addition to Texas' good business climate as reasons for moving.

    Again I don't deny that Texas has done a good job attracting business to its state, I just disagree with the notion of some that every bit of economic growth can be credited to conservative government.

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