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McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

What I do not understand is if the Democratic Party was the peoples party, why won’t or why wouldn’t they listen to the people? Apparently what the people think, want or do not want means nothing to them.

I would assume you know that other than the individual mandate there's virtually no piece of the ACA that the majority of the country disagrees with. The policy is liked, the branding isn't. Which is exactly why the law will never be repealed, no matter how the word "Obamacare" polls.
 
I would assume you know that other than the individual mandate there's virtually no piece of the ACA that the majority of the country disagrees with. The policy is liked, the branding isn't. Which is exactly why the law will never be repealed, no matter how the word "Obamacare" polls.

This is exactly what bothers me. The telling of roughly 55% of the people that what they think, what they want or didn't want means nothing to the Democrats and those in favor of the ACA. 35% of the people rule over all others. It is all about 35% of the people and one political party who are determined to have their way. Well, it has succeeded. This must make those who support this law very proud. They went against the will of the people and won.

Congratulations my friend. Party agenda over the people, is that the Democratic Party motto?
 
This is exactly what bothers me. The telling of roughly 55% of the people that what they think, what they want or didn't want means nothing to the Democrats and those in favor of the ACA.

That bothers you? You routinely ignore polling showing 60%+ support for Medicaid expansion (a key piece of the ACA) in states where GOP governors have obstinately refused to expand the program.

So forgive me if I doubt your sincerity.
 
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This is another example of "Republicans eating their own"....euphemistically of course. Their iron pillar of intolerance allows no independent thought. If you stray one iota from the official party line, you are castigated and branded a a RINO, no matter how loyal you were.
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That bothers you? You routinely ignore polling showing 60%+ support for Medicaid expansion (a key piece of the ACA) in states where GOP governors have obstinately refused to expand the program.

So forgive me if I doubt your sincerity.

That's fine. I have been bothered on the ACA ever since its first vote and passed utilizing the whip, bribes, threats etc. and those were used by the Democrats on their own members of congress. Without knowing anything about the ACA, what it consists of that turned me against it. Of course listening to Pelosi, she and all other Democrats didn't know what was in it either as she said, "You have to pass it first to know what's in it." Something like that.

Before I came to DP I was on Politico, there I said so many times that the ACA wasn't passed on its merits, it was passed via threats and bribes and that convinced me it was all about political agenda. I have been quoted, ask Nimby, he was known as Linc on Politico, as saying I didn't care if the ACA turned out to be the best since sex and peanut butter. I will continue to be adamantly opposed to it because of the way it was passed. With the whip and not on merit.

Medicaid, with all the new additions it may become a worthless piece of paper. Nationwide only around 60% of all doctors today accept medicaid and in places like New Jersey only 40%. There have been many doctor offices in my area that have put up signs, "No new Medicaid Patients Accepted." The problem, the very low reimbursement rate of the approved costs. Doctors lose money on each patient. So putting more people on medicaid could end up being no more than a feel good move by those who made the move and end up not helping the over all situation much at all.

But you are right, I equate medicaid and the ACA was two separate things. For me one has nothing to do with the other. Medicaid can be fixed to made to work for those who are on it if the reimbursement rate is raised to acceptable levels where doctors do not lose money in accepting more medicaid patients. The ACA is an exercise in political agenda forced upon the American people when the majority of Americans did not want it. The Democrats knew this back in 2009 and 2010 and ignored the will of the people. For over 4 years we have been told to just give the ACA time, the people will come to like it. But today the numbers for and against are roughly the same as when it was first passed.

Sangha has told me to get over how it was passed, sorry I can't do that. For me the ACA will always represent the use of raw political power to pass something a political party wanted passed against the wishes of the people. The Democrats passed it because they could, they passed it because it was their political agenda, not because the people wanted it. Medicare the people wanted, polls showed well over 60% of Americans were in favor of Medicare before it even was brought up in congress. The ACA, only 35% of the American people wanted it and that is close to the percentage of today that is in favor of it. See the difference, one had the back of the people, the other told the people to stick it where the sun don't shine. I will always be against it. Not for what in it, I don't care about the mandates and I believe if medicaid is fixed, I am in total support of upping the reimbursement rate. But I just can't stomach the ACA. Such is life.
 
That's fine. I have been bothered on the ACA ever since its first vote and passed utilizing the whip, bribes, threats etc. and those were used by the Democrats on their own members of congress. Without knowing anything about the ACA, what it consists of that turned me against it. Of course listening to Pelosi, she and all other Democrats didn't know what was in it either as she said, "You have to pass it first to know what's in it." Something like that.

Before I came to DP I was on Politico, there I said so many times that the ACA wasn't passed on its merits, it was passed via threats and bribes and that convinced me it was all about political agenda. I have been quoted, ask Nimby, he was known as Linc on Politico, as saying I didn't care if the ACA turned out to be the best since sex and peanut butter. I will continue to be adamantly opposed to it because of the way it was passed. With the whip and not on merit.

Medicaid, with all the new additions it may become a worthless piece of paper. Nationwide only around 60% of all doctors today accept medicaid and in places like New Jersey only 40%. There have been many doctor offices in my area that have put up signs, "No new Medicaid Patients Accepted." The problem, the very low reimbursement rate of the approved costs. Doctors lose money on each patient. So putting more people on medicaid could end up being no more than a feel good move by those who made the move and end up not helping the over all situation much at all.

But you are right, I equate medicaid and the ACA was two separate things. For me one has nothing to do with the other. Medicaid can be fixed to made to work for those who are on it if the reimbursement rate is raised to acceptable levels where doctors do not lose money in accepting more medicaid patients. The ACA is an exercise in political agenda forced upon the American people when the majority of Americans did not want it. The Democrats knew this back in 2009 and 2010 and ignored the will of the people. For over 4 years we have been told to just give the ACA time, the people will come to like it. But today the numbers for and against are roughly the same as when it was first passed.

Sangha has told me to get over how it was passed, sorry I can't do that. For me the ACA will always represent the use of raw political power to pass something a political party wanted passed against the wishes of the people. The Democrats passed it because they could, they passed it because it was their political agenda, not because the people wanted it. Medicare the people wanted, polls showed well over 60% of Americans were in favor of Medicare before it even was brought up in congress. The ACA, only 35% of the American people wanted it and that is close to the percentage of today that is in favor of it. See the difference, one had the back of the people, the other told the people to stick it where the sun don't shine. I will always be against it. Not for what in it, I don't care about the mandates and I believe if medicaid is fixed, I am in total support of upping the reimbursement rate. But I just can't stomach the ACA. Such is life.

Excellent post, Pero. :thumbs: It's good to remind people how this "health" plan ever saw the light of day in the first place. It took bribes and threats, and that's only to get the Dem vote - not one Republican voted for it! If it turns out okay, the Dems can crow about it...for right now into the foreseeable future, they have to get used to eating crow! They own this mess that people still don't like...after four years! :2mad:

Good morning, Pero. :2wave: Did you watch the eclipse?
 
Excellent post, Pero. :thumbs: It's good to remind people how this "health" plan ever saw the light of day in the first place. It took bribes and threats, and that's only to get the Dem vote - not one Republican voted for it! If it turns out okay, the Dems can crow about it...for right now into the foreseeable future, they have to get used to eating crow! They own this mess that people still don't like...after four years! :2mad:

Good morning, Pero. :2wave: Did you watch the eclipse?


Morning Pol, You remember my rants on Politico about the way it was passed and my saying the the ACA might be the best thing since sex and peanut butter, but I could never be for it because it wasn't passed on its merits, it was passed only because the Democrats had the power to do so. If a bill relies on the whip, threats and bribes to get it passed and not on its merits, it can't be good for the American people.

I vowed about a week ago to stay away from the ACA, I figure sooner or later the American will speak and speak loudly as they did in the 2010 elections. That seems to be the only way for those who wield power and do things only because they can for the American people to strike back. Will it happen this year, I do not know. It could. But the big question is, will the ACA be accepted over time? Will the American People finally give up trying to work their will and just accept it because one political party had the power to get it passed against the majority of Americans will? I fear that is what will happen. That is exactly what the Democrats want to happen. They don't care what the majority of Americans believe or want or don't want, it is political power to force upon America what they want.

I swear, I will try to stay away from this subject. Will I succeed, probably for a day or two until that force of power becomes too much for me to ignore.
 
Morning Pol, You remember my rants on Politico about the way it was passed and my saying the the ACA might be the best thing since sex and peanut butter, but I could never be for it because it wasn't passed on its merits, it was passed only because the Democrats had the power to do so. If a bill relies on the whip, threats and bribes to get it passed and not on its merits, it can't be good for the American people.

I vowed about a week ago to stay away from the ACA, I figure sooner or later the American will speak and speak loudly as they did in the 2010 elections. That seems to be the only way for those who wield power and do things only because they can for the American people to strike back. Will it happen this year, I do not know. It could. But the big question is, will the ACA be accepted over time? Will the American People finally give up trying to work their will and just accept it because one political party had the power to get it passed against the majority of Americans will? I fear that is what will happen. That is exactly what the Democrats want to happen. They don't care what the majority of Americans believe or want or don't want, it is political power to force upon America what they want.

I swear, I will try to stay away from this subject. Will I succeed, probably for a day or two until that force of power becomes too much for me to ignore.

I have just about decided the same! However, just because I am not endlessly talking about it - since everything has already been said about a million times, doesn't mean I am slowly coming around. Oh No! It simply means I am totally bored with it. I will remember at the voting booth in November, however, and it will be interesting to see how other voters feel about it. BTW, I would feel the exact same way if the Repubs pulled a similar stunt, disregarding what the people are saying. What a crock - we pay their damn salaries, and when I hire anyone for any kind of job, they'd better do as I ask, or they can find another job! Only in DC could this happen, and to be told "you'll like it or else," because it's the law that only one party dreamed up, sounds rather like a dictatorship, and we are a Republic the last I checked! :2mad:
 
I have just about decided the same! However, just because I am not endlessly talking about it - since everything has already been said about a million times, doesn't mean I am slowly coming around. Oh No! It simply means I am totally bored with it. I will remember at the voting booth in November, however, and it will be interesting to see how other voters feel about it. BTW, I would feel the exact same way if the Repubs pulled a similar stunt,
Are you good with your governor Kasich taking the Medicaid Expansion, insuring hundreds of thousands of you people in your state--providing tens of thousands of NEW jobs--with his eye toward the coming election and independent/DEM voters .
 
72% lifetime from FreedomWorks. 73% lifetime from Club for Growth.

She gets an F- minus from me.

Which is why we have had stalemate in the House since 2011. Boehner's comments proved that on Immigration, which Rodgers also promised last year .
 
Hope this moron loses her seat.

I don't care if a Demokrat takes it, but the Tea Part should have her ass in their crosshairs, and any other idiot with an R by their name acting like an idiot Demokrat.

And in the leadership of the party... (projectile puke icon)... Boehner need be challenged, this moron need be challenged, and any other gutless Rino.

This moron you speak of in Rodgers represents one of the most Aryan enklaves in the country zimmer, coupled with Northern Idaho. Your views align with their views and most of her views .
 
Are you good with your governor Kasich taking the Medicaid Expansion, insuring hundreds of thousands of you people in your state--providing tens of thousands of NEW jobs--with his eye toward the coming election and independent/DEM voters .

Yes I am! In this crappy economy, with not enough good paying jobs to go around, those with the least also need protection, and if I have to pay extra taxes to help them, I won't complain. He may be getting heat on that from others, but people with scant money do get sick, too, and it will eliminate the congestion in the hospital emergency rooms. At least my tax money won't be going to study the effect of sunlight on snails, or something equally stupid! Kasich is a good man, and a smart Governor, too!

Greetings, NIMBY. :2wave: .
 
This moron you speak of in Rodgers represents one of the most Aryan enklaves in the country zimmer, coupled with Northern Idaho. Your views align with their views and most of her views .
This is about her stance on ObamaKare and immigration. If she wants to surrender... then she has to go.
 
but the Tea Party should have her ass in their crosshairs,
Why go all Palin on us and put McMorris Rodgers in your cross-hairs, and the ensuing said implication of shooting her down?
Are you aware she has a down syndrome girl as Palin does?
But the kicker is that her husband is retired military .
 
Yes I am! In this crappy economy, with not enough good paying jobs to go around, those with the least also need protection, and if I have to pay extra taxes to help them, I won't complain. He may be getting heat on that from others, but people with scant money do get sick, too, and it will eliminate the congestion in the hospital emergency rooms. At least my tax money won't be going to study the effect of sunlight on snails, or something equally stupid! Kasich is a good man, and a smart Governor, too!

Greetings, NIMBY. :2wave: .
I agree--and so did Sheldon Adelson who invited Kasich to that Vegas primary a few weeks ago with Jeb Bush, Scott Walker and Chris Christie.
Too bad the other 25 GOP governors are denying the most needy of their citizens a benefit that you recognize helps, just in the ER alone.
 
The vast majority of this Nation is RINO, DEM and INDY.
This is about her stance on ObamaKare and immigration. If she wants to surrender... then she has to go.
Putting a K with every word to accuse Obama of the opposite of what he is only defeats your message more and exposes those who support you .
 
Yes I am! In this crappy economy, with not enough good paying jobs to go around, those with the least also need protection, and if I have to pay extra taxes to help them, I won't complain. He may be getting heat on that from others, but people with scant money do get sick, too, and it will eliminate the congestion in the hospital emergency rooms. At least my tax money won't be going to study the effect of sunlight on snails, or something equally stupid! Kasich is a good man, and a smart Governor, too!

Greetings, NIMBY. :2wave: .

In fact, it's a recurring theme among the mid-western states with Republican governors (Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.), the rate of recovery in those states. Not so much in Illinois.

Greets polgara!
:2wave: How's the day today?
 
Why go all Palin on us and put McMorris Rodgers in your cross-hairs, and the ensuing said implication of shooting her down?
Are you aware she has a down syndrome girl as Palin does?
But the kicker is that her husband is retired military .

Nothing to do with her surrender, and that is what matters.
 
In fact, it's a recurring theme among the mid-western states with Republican governors
(Ohio, Michigan, Wisconsin, etc.), the rate of recovery in those states. Not so much in Illinois.
THough Michigan took the ME, they call it "Healthy Michigan", knowing low-wattage GOP voters won't know they're the same.
Kind of like ACA and Obamacares .
 
72% lifetime from FreedomWorks. 73% lifetime from Club for Growth.

She gets an F- minus from me.

Jeez.....72% equals an F- ??
I'm glad you aren't a teacher.
Maybe you're grading on a curve?
If so, around 85% would be a passing grade?
I wonder what retired teacher NIMBY thinks about this?
Most of the GOP would have to drop your class and enroll in Remedial Wackoism 101.
That being said, good luck in this year's midterms.
Even the GOP winners will be failures to you.:shrug:
 
Excellent post, Pero. :thumbs: It's good to remind people how this "health" plan ever saw the light of day in the first place. It took bribes and threats, and that's only to get the Dem vote - not one Republican voted for it! If it turns out okay, the Dems can crow about it...for right now into the foreseeable future, they have to get used to eating crow! They own this mess that people still don't like...after four years! :2mad:

Good morning, Pero. :2wave: Did you watch the eclipse?

Took the wife out to the Wat this morning, we just got back. I didn't know there was an eclipse.
 
I have just about decided the same! However, just because I am not endlessly talking about it - since everything has already been said about a million times, doesn't mean I am slowly coming around. Oh No! It simply means I am totally bored with it. I will remember at the voting booth in November, however, and it will be interesting to see how other voters feel about it. BTW, I would feel the exact same way if the Repubs pulled a similar stunt, disregarding what the people are saying. What a crock - we pay their damn salaries, and when I hire anyone for any kind of job, they'd better do as I ask, or they can find another job! Only in DC could this happen, and to be told "you'll like it or else," because it's the law that only one party dreamed up, sounds rather like a dictatorship, and we are a Republic the last I checked! :2mad:

You and me both will remember in November. I have been voting since 1964 and in 2010 was the first time I ever voted a straight party line ticket. Apparently a lot of other did the same as it resulted in the loss of 63 house seats and 6 senate seats. I don't know what will happen in November, I think if the election were held today the Republicans would only pick up 3-4 senate seats, But there are a bunch that is extremely close that a few months ago the Democratic incumbents or likely nominees were ahead by double digits. Now there are about 8 races where the difference is 5 points or less. Anything can happen in those. But time will tell.
 
Jeez.....72% equals an F- ??
I'm glad you aren't a teacher.
Maybe you're grading on a curve?
If so, around 85% would be a passing grade?
I wonder what retired teacher NIMBY thinks about this?
Most of the GOP would have to drop your class and enroll in Remedial Wackoism 101.
That being said, good luck in this year's midterms.
Even the GOP winners will be failures to you.:shrug:

I've got an NBA playoff thread in the Sports Forum and would like your take. Now I have Bundy and Sterling when I come to Vegas. Funny thing how money talks and bull Manure walks.

These righties forget that McMorris Rodgers gave the "official" GOP response to the SOTU, one of several. She's been the leading gal fighting the "war on women" and has put off immigration reform since the Senate passed their bill last year .
 
Hope this moron loses her seat.

I don't care if a Demokrat takes it, but the Tea Part should have her ass in their crosshairs, and any other idiot with an R by their name acting like an idiot Demokrat.

And in the leadership of the party... (projectile puke icon)... Boehner need be challenged, this moron need be challenged, and any other gutless Rino.


AMEN brother.


Tim-
 
That's fine. I have been bothered on the ACA ever since its first vote and passed utilizing the whip, bribes, threats etc. and those were used by the Democrats on their own members of congress. Without knowing anything about the ACA, what it consists of that turned me against it. Of course listening to Pelosi, she and all other Democrats didn't know what was in it either as she said, "You have to pass it first to know what's in it." Something like that.

Before I came to DP I was on Politico, there I said so many times that the ACA wasn't passed on its merits, it was passed via threats and bribes and that convinced me it was all about political agenda. I have been quoted, ask Nimby, he was known as Linc on Politico, as saying I didn't care if the ACA turned out to be the best since sex and peanut butter. I will continue to be adamantly opposed to it because of the way it was passed. With the whip and not on merit.

So your judgment has nothing to do with the merits of the law because you're just so angry that judgments about the law during its passage had nothing to do with the merits of the law.

"I'll never like it no matter what its merits are" has been the GOP refrain from day one, which is exactly why it passed along party lines in the first place. Which of course now justifies continued irrational GOP hatred of it. Self-fulfilling rabid partisanship.
 
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