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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

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    I've got an NBA playoff thread in the Sports Forum and would like your take. Now I have Bundy and Sterling when I come to Vegas. Funny thing how money talks and bull Manure walks.
    I'll check it out when I get a chance.

    These righties forget that McMorris Rodgers gave the "official" GOP response to the SOTU, one of several. She's been the leading gal fighting the "war on women" and has put off immigration reform since the Senate passed their bill last year .
    Doesn't take much to get on the bad side of the GOP's TP wing.
    One misstep, real or imagined, and you fail the purity test.
    On the positive side, these ridiculously high--or low, depending on your POV--standards may result in some much needed election season hilarity.
    The Angles, Akins, Mourdocks and O'Donnells of the TP world are good for a few laughs.
    No matter how cynical I become toward politicians, it's never enough.

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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    So your judgment has nothing to do with the merits of the law because you're just so angry that judgments about the law during its passage had nothing to do with the merits of the law.

    "I'll never like it no matter what its merits are" has been the GOP refrain from day one, which is exactly why it passed along party lines in the first place. Which of course now justifies continued irrational GOP hatred of it. Self-fulfilling rabid partisanship.
    Not just the GOP, that I could understand if it was just one party. But it has the as you call it the irrational hatred of independents also. Without independents there is not way those who oppose the law could reach 53/54% Republicans only make up 25% of the electorate. So if the Democrats had the backing of independents, those in favor of the ACA would be in the 60% range instead of 40% or there about. How do you explain in poll after poll that breaks the for and againsts down by party, 60% give or take a few points depending on the poll and when are against it. Only 35% of independents are for it, again give or take a few points.

    So in reality, in the real world it is the Republicans and independents vs. Democrats.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    So in reality, in the real world it is the Republicans and independents vs. Democrats.
    In reality, you have a lot at stake with the ACA failing, so the numbers stay down.
    First you say 53/54 %, then you say the 60% range.
    And at all times you ignore Medicaid Expansion because that hurts your GOP.

    The constant whining about how the ACA was passed is really getting old with everyone,
    especially considered the 5+ year Greedy Obstruction Paranoias who have intentionally sabotaged the President.

    You need to change your signature and lean, as you are clearly GOP/McConnell .
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    So your judgment has nothing to do with the merits of the law because you're just so angry that judgments about the law during its passage had nothing to do with the merits of the law.

    "I'll never like it no matter what its merits are" has been the GOP refrain from day one, which is exactly why it passed along party lines in the first place. Which of course now justifies continued irrational GOP hatred of it. Self-fulfilling rabid partisanship.
    Do the math if you think me wrong, 25% of the electorate are Republican, 30% are Democrat, 42% are independents. 60% of the 42% who say they are independent is 25 and add that 25 to the 25 who say they are Republican come to 50% or just 4 points shy of the 54% who currently oppose Obamacare. 35% of the 42% who identify themselves as independents comes out to be 15, add that to the 30% who say they are Democrats and that total is 45%, about 4 points higher than the total who say they are for Obamacare.

    Now the above figures assume 100% of Democrats are for the ACA and 100% of Republicans are against the ACA which isnít the case. In reality 80% of all Democrats are for the ACA, 90% of all Republicans are against the ACA, but the numbers do prove that it is the independents which tilts the majority of Americans against it. Republican and independents vs. Democrats.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    In reality, you have a lot at stake with the ACA failing, so the numbers stay down.
    First you say 53/54 %, then you say the 60% range.
    And at all times you ignore Medicaid Expansion because that hurts your GOP.

    The constant whining about how the ACA was passed is really getting old with everyone,
    especially considered the 5+ year Greedy Obstruction Paranoias who have intentionally sabotaged the President.

    You need to change your signature and lean, as you are clearly GOP/McConnell .
    Sure, 53/54% of all Americans are against the ACA, 60% of all independents are against the ACA. Numbers match. MY GOP, I don't think so. If I had my way both parties would be tossed on the trash heap of history. Both parties owe their heart and soul to the big money donors, to corporations and Wall Street firms, to lobbyist and special interest, to Pacs and Super Pacs, to the moneyed elite.

    You take my opposition to one issue as being pro-republican or a republican. Can't an old Reform Party member be against the ACA without being a Republican? Perhaps not in today's world. I do not think I ever defended Bush the second, perhaps I have when comparing the amount of debt he ran up vs. what Obama has run up, but that defense was more in condemnation of both, not for either one. I defended Bill Clinton and get called an Obamabot. I said cutting the deficit to 500 plus billion was a good thing. It is about time. I say whether or not a woman should have a abortion or not is up to the woman, I support gay marriage and I am called a lib. I defended Obama on the Ukraine and am always defending the first lady, now would a Republican do that? Or would someone who makes up his mind one issue at a time and takes his stance regardless of party.

    but none of that is important, it is always one stance on one issue that determines whether one is a con or a lib. I am from Georgia and yes, I am a lot more conservative than those from the northeast or perhaps even the midwest. Goldwater was my first political mentor and then Perot rubbed a lot of good stuff into that mix. My main three beefs with Obama, actually two with Obama and one with Reid is adding 7 1/2 trillion to the debt, the ACA and the nuclear option.

    Usually I let this stuff roll off my back and just chuckle about it. You, my friend should know better. As for medicaid. what good does it do to expand it. Only 60% of the doctors nationwide will accept medicaid patients/insurance. Why? Because they lose money on each medicaid patient. New Jersey expanded medicaid, but only 40% of New Jersey's doctors will see anyone who is on medicaid. If expanding medicaid really helping people out? I think not. It is just making a bad situation worse. Unless the reimbursement rate are increased, all expanding medicaid does is make those who expanded it feel good about themselves. In reality they have just put more people into a pool that does not have enough doctors today who accept medicaid and the patients on it now.

    As I told Greenie, for me medicaid and the ACA are two different things. I think medicaid can be fixed and made to work, I think the ACA is way too flawed. By the way, I am not a Republican, I am a card carrying Reform Party member. There ain't many of us and most of us are in Virginia up through New Jersey, but we still do exist and we did run our own presidential candidate in 2012. But I didn't vote for him, I voted for Johnson. End of rant.

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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    Sure, 53/54% of all Americans are against the ACA, 60% of all independents are against the ACA. Numbers match. MY GOP, I don't think so. If I had my way both parties would be tossed on the trash heap of history. Both parties owe their heart and soul to the big money donors, to corporations and Wall Street firms, to lobbyist and special interest, to Pacs and Super Pacs, to the moneyed elite.
    You're the one who keeps saying its's the GOP and Indies against the Dems--are you walking that back?
    Kind of like when you and your southern Dems were against Civil rights .
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    You take my opposition to one issue as being pro-republican or a republican. Can't an old Reform Party member be against the ACA without being a Republican? Perhaps not in today's world.
    I take your fanaticism of complaining about the way ACA was passed as way over-the-top.
    Exactly what do the GOPs have on the table to vote on right now after 50 Repeals?
    I take this to mean you want to go back to pre-ACA .
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    As I told Greenie, for me medicaid and the ACA are two different things. I think medicaid can be fixed and made to work, I think the ACA is way too flawed. By the way, I am not a Republican, I am a card carrying Reform Party member. There ain't many of us and most of us are in Virginia up through New Jersey, but we still do exist and we did run our own presidential candidate in 2012. But I didn't vote for him, I voted for Johnson. End of rant.
    You can call yourself anything you want.
    You can't hate on Harry Reid in every one of your posts and support McConnell to take over the Senate without being GOP >
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    You're the one who keeps saying its's the GOP and Indies against the Dems--are you walking that back?
    Kind of like when you and your southern Dems were against Civil rights .
    No I am not walking back that it is the Republicans and Independents against the ACA and the Democrats for the ACA. That is a fact, on the ACA it is Republicans and independents vs. Democrats. You can go inside the polls on RCP as easily as I can and do, you would find out on the ACA, roughly 80% of Democrats are in favor of it and 20% are against it. 10% of Republicans are for the ACA and 90% against it, 35% of independents are for the ACA, 60% against it. These are the averages.

    Perhaps I should have said if it will make you happy, it is 20% of Democrats along with 90% of Republicans and 60% of independents vs. 80% of Democrats, 10% of Republicans and 35% of independents. But to shorten that long sentence and get the same point across, I said it is Republicans and independents vs. Democrats.

    As for my younger days and voting for Democrats in the south, you bet I did. I still do for things like county commissioner. I proudly voted for Carter, Busbee, Harris, Miller and Barnes for governor then in 2002 for Perdue. For senators I voted for people like Russell, Nunn, Cleland, Talmage and Zell Miller, also for Republicans Coverdale and Isakson. I also voted for Carter twice in 76 and 80 for president. I have voted Republican more times than democrat for president, Goldwater, Nixon once, 1972, reagan once, 1984 and for Bush the first in 1988 ending up with McCain in 2008. The other elections, six of them I voted third party. Now you have a bit of my voting history, do with it as you wish.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by NIMBY View Post
    I take your fanaticism of complaining about the way ACA was passed as way over-the-top.
    Exactly what do the GOPs have on the table to vote on right now after 50 Repeals?
    I take this to mean you want to go back to pre-ACA .
    exactly, you do know JFK had two plans for medicare, one was the private insurance model much like the ACA today, it was shot down. Thank god.
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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