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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Omg a politician said the truth instead of offering rhetoric and platitudes.

    Burn her at the stakes!!

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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Hope this moron loses her seat.

    ...to someone who will tell you what you want to hear instead of obvious truths?

    It's been more than four years. It's time to face reality.

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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    This is what the establishment always does with failed liberal policy. Don't get rid of it just continue to polish the turd. Then libs call it repub policy and run on change.....And the sheep go baaaaa!
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    She's saying exactly what a lot of the people who feared the bill in the first place said. Remember?

    It is heavily unlikely it will be repealed. Reforms are much more likely for conservatives critical of the legislation.

    Remember all of the liberals somehow thinking that NCLB would be removed? They were idiots in the mid-2000s, they remain idiots now. Reform is the option you have once it takes hold.
    You know I have been adamantly opposed to the ACA since it was first passed with the Democratic leaders using bribes, threats, arm twisting and the whip, not on Republicans, but their own members. But the congresswoman is probably right. The ACA is here to stay, even if by an act of god, it would take that now to get it repealed. The frame work would have to stay in place, most of what is in the ACA would also have to remain in any bill or law that took its place. There is no going back to pre-ACA healthcare.

    But I do not expect the Republicans to jump on board with the congresswoman. Keeping this flawed law the way it is could possibly gain the GOP the senate this November. Keeping the ACA the way it is, getting more people mad at it when all the mandates that have been delayed kicked in, when premiums go up, the Republicans may hope to ride this train to the presidency in 2016. For the last 4 years it has been Republicans and Independents opposing this law and only the Democrats for it. As long as a majority of independents continue to be against the law, there is political opportunity in keeping the law exactly as it is with no fixing, no improvement in hopes of wooing more independents to vote for GOP candidates.

    Is this playing politics with the ACA, sure it is. But the ACA was all political to begin with. It was one party forcing its political agenda upon the American people when that party knew darn well the majority of Americans were against it. So why should politics stop now? The fact is this is a Democratic Party initiative, their policy, their idea, they passed it and signed it into law. I think the Republicans are satisfied at the moment to let it be just that, a Democratic law that the majority of Americans oppose. They view it as an opportunity to make hay. The Democrats now own healthcare, lock, stock and barrel. They will receive the kudos when healthcare is going good, they will receive the blame and the disgust when healthcare goes bad. From now on if a doctor even frowns at a patient, it will be the Democrats and the ACA’s fault. So are we really any better off today than 4 years ago? I suppose that is up to each individual and their political affiliation to decide.
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    ...to someone who will tell you what you want to hear instead of obvious truths?

    It's been more than four years. It's time to face reality.
    Yes, I am afraid the reality is the ACA is here to stay even after 4 years of the majority of Americans opposing it and still oppose it today. No wonder the vast majority of Americans do not trust their government anymore. They know their government is going to do that government wants to do, not what the people want. I suppose one could call this business as usual. I think the ACA will be like the abortion issue, it will never go away. Today inside almost any poll that breaks down the party affiliation of those for and against, one finds the averages show 80% of Democrats for the Law, 90% of Republicans against the law and independents breakdown 35% for 60% against. Give or take a few percentage points on the above depending on the poll and when it was taken, but those are the averages and have pretty much remained about the same for 4 years.

    Why even try to repeal the law when anyone looking at Washington D.C. knows President Obama would veto any bill that would repeal it if one ever emerged from congress. That is a complete waste of time and energy. What I do not understand is if the Democratic Party was the peoples party, why won’t or why wouldn’t they listen to the people? Apparently what the people think, want or do not want means nothing to them. But in Washington D.C. that is the norm today. It is all about political agendas and political parties and the people get lost and forgotten in the battles there. Hail the elites!
    This Reform Party member thinks it is high past time that we start electing Americans to congress and the presidency who put America first and their political party further down the line. But for way too long we have been electing Republicans and Democrats who happen to be Americans instead of Americans who happen to be Republicans and Democrats.

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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    What I do not understand is if the Democratic Party was the peoples party, why won’t or why wouldn’t they listen to the people? Apparently what the people think, want or do not want means nothing to them.
    I would assume you know that other than the individual mandate there's virtually no piece of the ACA that the majority of the country disagrees with. The policy is liked, the branding isn't. Which is exactly why the law will never be repealed, no matter how the word "Obamacare" polls.

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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    I would assume you know that other than the individual mandate there's virtually no piece of the ACA that the majority of the country disagrees with. The policy is liked, the branding isn't. Which is exactly why the law will never be repealed, no matter how the word "Obamacare" polls.
    This is exactly what bothers me. The telling of roughly 55% of the people that what they think, what they want or didn't want means nothing to the Democrats and those in favor of the ACA. 35% of the people rule over all others. It is all about 35% of the people and one political party who are determined to have their way. Well, it has succeeded. This must make those who support this law very proud. They went against the will of the people and won.

    Congratulations my friend. Party agenda over the people, is that the Democratic Party motto?
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Perotista View Post
    This is exactly what bothers me. The telling of roughly 55% of the people that what they think, what they want or didn't want means nothing to the Democrats and those in favor of the ACA.
    That bothers you? You routinely ignore polling showing 60%+ support for Medicaid expansion (a key piece of the ACA) in states where GOP governors have obstinately refused to expand the program.

    So forgive me if I doubt your sincerity.

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    This is another example of "Republicans eating their own"....euphemistically of course. Their iron pillar of intolerance allows no independent thought. If you stray one iota from the official party line, you are castigated and branded a a RINO, no matter how loyal you were.
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenbeard View Post
    That bothers you? You routinely ignore polling showing 60%+ support for Medicaid expansion (a key piece of the ACA) in states where GOP governors have obstinately refused to expand the program.

    So forgive me if I doubt your sincerity.
    That's fine. I have been bothered on the ACA ever since its first vote and passed utilizing the whip, bribes, threats etc. and those were used by the Democrats on their own members of congress. Without knowing anything about the ACA, what it consists of that turned me against it. Of course listening to Pelosi, she and all other Democrats didn't know what was in it either as she said, "You have to pass it first to know what's in it." Something like that.

    Before I came to DP I was on Politico, there I said so many times that the ACA wasn't passed on its merits, it was passed via threats and bribes and that convinced me it was all about political agenda. I have been quoted, ask Nimby, he was known as Linc on Politico, as saying I didn't care if the ACA turned out to be the best since sex and peanut butter. I will continue to be adamantly opposed to it because of the way it was passed. With the whip and not on merit.

    Medicaid, with all the new additions it may become a worthless piece of paper. Nationwide only around 60% of all doctors today accept medicaid and in places like New Jersey only 40%. There have been many doctor offices in my area that have put up signs, "No new Medicaid Patients Accepted." The problem, the very low reimbursement rate of the approved costs. Doctors lose money on each patient. So putting more people on medicaid could end up being no more than a feel good move by those who made the move and end up not helping the over all situation much at all.

    But you are right, I equate medicaid and the ACA was two separate things. For me one has nothing to do with the other. Medicaid can be fixed to made to work for those who are on it if the reimbursement rate is raised to acceptable levels where doctors do not lose money in accepting more medicaid patients. The ACA is an exercise in political agenda forced upon the American people when the majority of Americans did not want it. The Democrats knew this back in 2009 and 2010 and ignored the will of the people. For over 4 years we have been told to just give the ACA time, the people will come to like it. But today the numbers for and against are roughly the same as when it was first passed.

    Sangha has told me to get over how it was passed, sorry I can't do that. For me the ACA will always represent the use of raw political power to pass something a political party wanted passed against the wishes of the people. The Democrats passed it because they could, they passed it because it was their political agenda, not because the people wanted it. Medicare the people wanted, polls showed well over 60% of Americans were in favor of Medicare before it even was brought up in congress. The ACA, only 35% of the American people wanted it and that is close to the percentage of today that is in favor of it. See the difference, one had the back of the people, the other told the people to stick it where the sun don't shine. I will always be against it. Not for what in it, I don't care about the mandates and I believe if medicaid is fixed, I am in total support of upping the reimbursement rate. But I just can't stomach the ACA. Such is life.
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