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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    She's saying exactly what a lot of the people who feared the bill in the first place said. Remember?

    It is heavily unlikely it will be repealed. Reforms are much more likely for conservatives critical of the legislation.

    Remember all of the liberals somehow thinking that NCLB would be removed? They were idiots in the mid-2000s, they remain idiots now. Reform is the option you have once it takes hold.
    This is unfortunate yet has become a political reality. Once the federal gov't acquires (creates?) a new power, program, agency or department it is most likely to grow, or even to morph into something else, rather than to be done away with. Simply because something exists the federal gov't will seek a way to control it.
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Hope this moron loses her seat.

    I don't care if a Demokrat takes it, but the Tea Part should have her ass in their crosshairs, and any other idiot with an R by their name acting like an idiot Demokrat.

    And in the leadership of the party... (projectile puke icon)... Boehner need be challenged, this moron need be challenged, and any other gutless Rino.
    She's right. Once you put millions of people on an entitlement, it's impossible to get them off.

    The GOP would be better served coming up with a plan that actually helps all Americans, not just the poor. That of course is assuming the government can even do anything to reduce healthcare costs, which I doubt.

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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    She's right. Once you put millions of people on an entitlement, it's impossible to get them off.

    The GOP would be better served coming up with a plan that actually helps all Americans, not just the poor. That of course is assuming the government can even do anything to reduce healthcare costs, which I doubt.
    The gov't can reduce the costs of nearly anything but not by using income redistribution. Limiting nonsense like 1-800-BAD-DRUG (tort reform), removing artificial barriers to allow an increase in the number of medical care providers, requiring the cost of service to be posted and allowing medical care insurance to act like insurance (covering only the rare, unexpected and expensive events) instead of a silly scheme to try to limit "out of pocket" costs to near zero for those getting subsidies.

    Unlike nearly any other "private" good/service it is nearly impossible to shop for medical care; trying to compare the cost of one procedure (or treatment plan) between multiple providers is all but impossible. Imagine if worn car tire replacement was mandated to be included in your auto policy but the actual retail tire price was never known (or even cared about) since your "out of pocket cost" was limited to $5/tire - what would then likely happen to retail tire prices and auto insurance premiums?
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by ttwtt78640 View Post
    The gov't can reduce the costs of nearly anything but not by using income redistribution. Limiting nonsense like 1-800-BAD-DRUG (tort reform), removing artificial barriers to allow an increase in the number of medical care providers, requiring the cost of service to be posted and allowing medical care insurance to act like insurance (covering only the rare, unexpected and expensive events) instead of a silly scheme to try to limit "out of pocket" costs to near zero for those getting subsidies.


    Unlike nearly any other "private" good/service it is nearly impossible to shop for medical care; trying to compare the cost of one procedure (or treatment plan) between multiple providers is all but impossible. Imagine if worn car tire replacement was mandated to be included in your auto policy but the actual retail tire price was never known (or even cared about) since your "out of pocket cost" was limited to $5/tire - what would then likely happen to retail tire prices and auto insurance premiums?
    The gov't can reduce the costs of nearly anything but not by using income redistribution.

    That's what's so scary about the way our government is set up.

    Limiting nonsense like 1-800-BAD-DRUG (tort reform),

    Eliminating ambulance chasers like James Sokolove would go a long way towards improving our society.

    Unlike nearly any other "private" good/service it is nearly impossible to shop for medical care

    I've found it to be nearly impossible even when it's been decided upon that the service is actually needed. And here in NH we have to deal with whatever hospital or surgical center that our doctors are affiliated with if we want to use that doctor or keep that doctor at the very least in the loop. Even if I can find out that the cost of a procedure is less when done at another hospital, if I want my PCP to manage the aftercare, I have to do it through her affiliations. But when my insurance company is paying, all I ever care about is "What's my share in this" anyway. If it's the same regardless of where it's done, I never give it a second thought.
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The OP has decided that a 5 term congresswoman, who regularly gets positive ratings from conservative groups, is a RINO because she's being far more realistic than most GOP members on this....particular... issue...
    I think just the fact that you would be in here defending her is proof enough that she should go.
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    The OP has decided that a 5 term congresswoman, who regularly gets positive ratings from conservative groups, is a RINO because she's being far more realistic than most GOP members on this....particular... issue...
    I don't care if she was a 30-term star... she's caving and in the leadership. She need be rooted out, just as that abortion ObamaKare need be rooted out. It cannot be done with morons like her in a position of leadership.

    You see... the USSR died, DDR died, entire nations and their system of opporession died... but the oppression called ObamaKare can't die? ROTFLMFAO... Rrrrrrrrrright.
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    when you have NO MORAL COMPASS.

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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by a351 View Post
    So the woman votes to repeal the law on dozens of occasions, levies sharp critiques against it in the same venue, yet is a liberal because she recognizes the likelihood of repeal is slim to none? Just a bizarre interpretation and lack of political savvy.
    She should continue to fight... she has openly capitulated.

    It's time for the cow to go to pasture.
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    Smart lady.
    Really? And the same could be said for all the government programs that have harmed blacks in America. Looking back it doesn't look too smart... does it... and this poison isn't smart.

    We need to slash away at all the poison and LIMIT government... this moron needs to go.

    She's capitulated publicly... I hope her constituents fire her ass. Boehner can pack his crap and go on vacation with her.
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    She's right. Once you put millions of people on an entitlement, it's impossible to get them off.

    The GOP would be better served coming up with a plan that actually helps all Americans, not just the poor. That of course is assuming the government can even do anything to reduce healthcare costs, which I doubt.
    The country would not be bettered served... and that is what matters. ObamaKare is unpopular, is a failure and should be repealed. You can't take a million of entitlements... I say you sure can.
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    Re: McMorris Rodgers says ACA likely to stay

    She's SORT of right. Its here to stay...until it is fully implemented. Once it is shown to be the dismal failure that it is, the next push will be for Universal health care as the 'fix'. Thats next.

    If the GOP was smart they wouldnt have been fighting AGAINST the ACA...they would have been fighting to force full implementation of the ACA instead of letting them continue to put off the devastating impact of whats coming til AFTER the election.

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