U.S. electricity prices may be going up for good http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na

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RabidAlpaca said:

^ Germany is actually a perfect example of where we're headed in energy prices. Here I pay about 27 cents (USD) per KWh, comparing that with my home in Texas where we had ~8-9 cents (USD) per KWh.

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Yea but that is not the whole story is it now... In Germany there are active measures to save electricity, both publicly and in homes. Adding taxes to the price is to push people to saving on energy....where as wasting energy or resources is almost a national sport in the US.

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votemout said:

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Yea i see it believe me i know all about how dirty china is. But you did not answer my question!

Where is the outcry from russia? americas land and air NEVER GOT THAT BAD. and yet all i heard was acid rain!

now when they were talking this back then i see this propaganda piece from 84 BUT NOTHING SINCE why?

ACID RAIN REPORTED OVER SOVIET UNION - NYTimes.com


whatever this is fruitless coal has never been cleaner then it is now.

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Because Americans don't give a crap what happens in Russia?

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Texmex said:

Tell that to the Japanese.

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How many died from the Fukushima meltdown?

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Deuce said:

How many died from the Fukushima meltdown?

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Radiation isn't through yet. We'll know if a generation or so.

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votemout said:

Nuclear is awesome until it melts down or it is time to dispose of the waste. Nuclear is way more dangerous for the planet. You sound like you live in canada am i right? you remember the acid rain debates? caused by the US?

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Are you suggesting that "acid rain" was some liberal invention?

The high levels of acid rain was mainly caused by the burning of coal with high sulfur and nitrogen content. During the 1990s coal plants where required to place filters on the stacks to eliminate the majority of this, and this period also saw the shift from high sulfur coals to those from the Powder River Basin in Wyoming (which has been our #1 coal producing state for some time now) which have much less sulfur.

Powder River Basin (PRB) coal is classified as "sub-bituminous" and contains an average of approximately 8,500 btu/lb, with low SO2. Contrast this with eastern, Appalachian bituminous coal containing an average of 12,500 btu/lb and high SO2. PRB coal was essentially worthless until air pollution emissions from power plants became a concern. A coal-fired plant designed to burn Appalachian coal must be modified to remove SO2 at a cost estimated in 1999 to be around $113 per ton of SO2 removal if it switches to burning PRB coal, and $322 per ton of SO2 removal by installing scrubbers

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As we can see, combating Acid Rain resulted in shifting to lower quality coal which requires more to burn, resulting in increased levels of CO2 pollution.

Powder River Basin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Clean Air Act (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Chinese and Indians don't seem to care, but then again what would you expect from those countries. Depending on the sulfur/nitrogen levels in the coal they burn they are absolutely incurring acid rain on themselves and areas around them.