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    Re: U.S. electricity prices may be going up for good http://www.latimes.com/nation/l

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    ^ Germany is actually a perfect example of where we're headed in energy prices. Here I pay about 27 cents (USD) per KWh, comparing that with my home in Texas where we had ~8-9 cents (USD) per KWh.

    That may get worse, if the Ukraine thing forces a shift away from Russian energy. The natural gas and oil will not be much more expensive per se, but large amounts of infrastructural investment will become less efficient while new investments will be required.

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    Re: U.S. electricity prices may be going up for good http://www.latimes.com/nation/l

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    So you are saying that in your grid there are absolutely NO coal power plants providing ANY type of power to it? Remember the grid isn't limited to your province.

    FYI Hydroelectric does not provide ramping up or ramping down of power. I don't think you know didly about the power grid or what power gets to your grid and from what or where.
    We sell electricity to other provinces, we have a surplus. Ontario has the largest nuclear power plant in the world. Ontario and Quebec which holds a bulk of the population through either nuclear or hydroelectric. Alberta and Saskatchewan are the only provinces left that mainly relies on coal and even then they are ramping up natural gas. The territories expect the aren't even connected to the grid. The Yukon provides 95% of it's power form hydroelectric.
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    Re: U.S. electricity prices may be going up for good http://www.latimes.com/nation/l

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    U.S. electricity prices may be going up for good - latimes.com

    Experts warn of a growing fragility as coal-fired plants are shut down, nuclear power is reduced and consumers switch to renewable energy.


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlTxGHn4sH4

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    What switch to "renewable energy" is that?

    US electricity prices are going to "skyrocket" according to Obama, who pledged that when he was first elected.

    And unless the US gets its head out of its ass on the Columbia River treaty, your imported hydro-electricity is going to skyrocket too. But then, the US wants to tax hydro electricity because of all the environmental "damage" they do when constructed.
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    Re: U.S. electricity prices may be going up for good http://www.latimes.com/nation/l

    Quote Originally Posted by Carjosse View Post
    Nuclear is awesome and you don't have to care about meltdowns and the disposal of waste if you do it properly. You mean the debates that made Canada hate Republicans even more.
    Tell that to the Japanese.

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    Re: U.S. electricity prices may be going up for good http://www.latimes.com/nation/l

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Tell that to the Japanese.
    You do know that there are non-earthquake prone regions in the world.

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    Re: U.S. electricity prices may be going up for good http://www.latimes.com/nation/l

    Quote Originally Posted by RabidAlpaca View Post
    ^ Germany is actually a perfect example of where we're headed in energy prices. Here I pay about 27 cents (USD) per KWh, comparing that with my home in Texas where we had ~8-9 cents (USD) per KWh.
    Yea but that is not the whole story is it now... In Germany there are active measures to save electricity, both publicly and in homes. Adding taxes to the price is to push people to saving on energy....where as wasting energy or resources is almost a national sport in the US.
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    Re: U.S. electricity prices may be going up for good http://www.latimes.com/nation/l

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
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    Yea i see it believe me i know all about how dirty china is. But you did not answer my question!

    Where is the outcry from russia? americas land and air NEVER GOT THAT BAD. and yet all i heard was acid rain!

    now when they were talking this back then i see this propaganda piece from 84 BUT NOTHING SINCE why?

    ACID RAIN REPORTED OVER SOVIET UNION - NYTimes.com


    whatever this is fruitless coal has never been cleaner then it is now.
    Because Americans don't give a crap what happens in Russia?
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    Re: U.S. electricity prices may be going up for good http://www.latimes.com/nation/l

    Quote Originally Posted by Texmex View Post
    Tell that to the Japanese.
    How many died from the Fukushima meltdown?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: U.S. electricity prices may be going up for good http://www.latimes.com/nation/l

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    How many died from the Fukushima meltdown?
    Radiation isn't through yet. We'll know if a generation or so.

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    Re: U.S. electricity prices may be going up for good http://www.latimes.com/nation/l

    Quote Originally Posted by votemout View Post
    Nuclear is awesome until it melts down or it is time to dispose of the waste. Nuclear is way more dangerous for the planet. You sound like you live in canada am i right? you remember the acid rain debates? caused by the US?
    Are you suggesting that "acid rain" was some liberal invention?

    The high levels of acid rain was mainly caused by the burning of coal with high sulfur and nitrogen content. During the 1990s coal plants where required to place filters on the stacks to eliminate the majority of this, and this period also saw the shift from high sulfur coals to those from the Powder River Basin in Wyoming (which has been our #1 coal producing state for some time now) which have much less sulfur.

    Powder River Basin (PRB) coal is classified as "sub-bituminous" and contains an average of approximately 8,500 btu/lb, with low SO2. Contrast this with eastern, Appalachian bituminous coal containing an average of 12,500 btu/lb and high SO2. PRB coal was essentially worthless until air pollution emissions from power plants became a concern. A coal-fired plant designed to burn Appalachian coal must be modified to remove SO2 at a cost estimated in 1999 to be around $113 per ton of SO2 removal if it switches to burning PRB coal, and $322 per ton of SO2 removal by installing scrubbers
    As we can see, combating Acid Rain resulted in shifting to lower quality coal which requires more to burn, resulting in increased levels of CO2 pollution.

    Powder River Basin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Clean Air Act (United States) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    The Chinese and Indians don't seem to care, but then again what would you expect from those countries. Depending on the sulfur/nitrogen levels in the coal they burn they are absolutely incurring acid rain on themselves and areas around them.
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