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GOP lawmaker: 'Men are more motivated' than women

Rainman05 said:
Well, nobody ever accused those "news" outlets of ever being interested in anything but "shock" news. Replace those news outlets with the colored magazines that follow movie stars around and make up crap about who hooked up with whom and it's the same thing. Just make it about politicians and public interest news.

Believe you me... one day, a Kardashian will be president.
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OMG that last line made me shudder, but I fear you're right.

A few years back I asked my then-20 year old niece who she thought would make a great President. Her answer? Angelina Jolie. :shock:
 
lizzie said:
Men's sense of self is often dependent on their monetary and material success, much more often than is the case with women.
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My own isn't based upon the amount of money I make or the resulting material success, but on the work, itself. There is almost no distinction between what I do and who I am.

I might never retire.
 
lizzie said:
it isn't backwards at all. People are different. Value systems differ. Men and women have different values and motivations.
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Men value hard work more than Women? Overtime? Nights and weekends?
 
tres borrachos said:
He didn't reference a study. What he said was "men are more motivated by money than women are".
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Why do people always believe studies? Have you ever heard of the coffee study? Yeah, one year it's good for you, the next it's bad. So I take "studies" with a grain of salt. Frankly, I do think men are more flexible about their work schedules than women, not to say that women have bad reasons for not being so. Most of the time I believe it has to do with family responsibilities.
 
tres borrachos said:
My employer can't incent me enough to give up my personal time. .
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My employer knows that I have a certain expectation, and if they offer it, plus let me work on our overflow unit, I will do it- assuming I have nothingbetter to do. My self esteem isnt tied up in how much I earn.
 
First of all, it's a state senator. Who really cares?

Second of all, his constant saying of "it's the statistics" was stupid. His interpretations are not in the statistics.

Third of all, disingenuous parsing of his words is disingenuous. While he said it very poorly, and said it in ways which can be considered offensive, it doesn't change the fact his general point is not necessarily wrong. He said it in a terrible way, but for anyone to deny society historically (and presently) expects far more from the man than the woman, in terms of work and pay, is to simply deny reality.
 
Just another thread with another failed attempt to play the gender card.
 
Women don't work weekends or nights? Tell that to the women you'll see working in every store or restaurant you go into this evening and weekend.
 
It's clear this guy has never met my wife; who makes more money than something like 96% of American men.
 
He's not entirely incorrect. Men, generally speaking work more hours on average, are more likely to work overtime and have riskier occupations :shrug: Those facts do in part account for the wage discrepancies between men and women. The way in which his statement was worded was his true error.
 
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tres borrachos said:
OMFG, I just looked at HuffPo. Their headline:

GOP Lawmaker Says Women Don't Deserve Equal Pay Because They're Lazier

Anyone who doesn't think this partisan nonsense and liberal rephrasing of what people say isn't out of control needs a smack in the head.

He never said women don't deserve equal pay, and he never said women are lazy.
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Sure, he is on the floor of your representative body, not to defend a pay fairness bill, but to stop it.

One of his arguments against fair pay for women....it that women do not care about money......so they do not need to have the same pay for the same work.
 
Gardener said:
My own isn't based upon the amount of money I make or the resulting material success, but on the work, itself. There is almost no distinction between what I do and who I am.

I might never retire.
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I think that is a part of the same concept. It is the drive to create and to be a part of a creative process. It is putting energy into something which takes form. I do that at home, rather than on the job.
 
HenryChinaski said:
Men value hard work more than Women? Overtime? Nights and weekends?
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You should ask yourself "What is the ratio of stay at home Dads to stay at home Moms". An honest evaluation of the answer to such a question should lead you to certain conclusions.

It's not as if generalities are accurate predictors of individual behavior, nor should it limit individual choices. Being born male or female does not mean one will automatically gravitate more towards family or work. It just means that men are MORE likely than women to orient themselves around work vis a vis family and women more likely to orient themselves around family. THis may be less true today than it was a century ago, but acknowledging the degree to which traditional roles are still adhered is the product ofan open mind rather than closed.

If I were to quibble with the statement, itself,I would say that he speaks in absolutes rather than tendencies, so he does pidgeonhole.Had he said "more likely", I would have little objection to the statement at all. .
 
lizzie said:
I think that is a part of the same concept. .
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Definitely.

I figured you knew me well enough to know that was implied.
 
soot said:
It's clear this guy has never met my wife; who makes more money than something like 96% of American men.
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No, he probably never met your wife if you haven't been to NH. By the way, I make more money than my husband - and he works more hours than I do.

The lawmaker in question didn't make an "all or nothing statement".
 
Gimmesometruth said:
One of his arguments against fair pay for women....it that women do not care about money......so they do not need to have the same pay for the same work.
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Which of course wasn't an argument that was actually made. His claim that women aren't as motivated by money is based on the fact that men, generally speaking, go to greater lengths to acquire it, whether that be in the form of more dangerous vocations, longer work hours, etc. As a result, the fact that women earn less than men on average is unsurprising and not in need of a legislative solution. That's the actual argument being made here, and one that is not entirely unreasonable.
 
Slyfox696 said:
First of all, it's a state senator. Who really cares?

Second of all, his constant saying of "it's the statistics" was stupid. His interpretations are not in the statistics.

Third of all, disingenuous parsing of his words is disingenuous. While he said it very poorly, and said it in ways which can be considered offensive, it doesn't change the fact his general point is not necessarily wrong. He said it in a terrible way, but for anyone to deny society historically (and presently) expects far more from the man than the woman, in terms of work and pay, is to simply deny reality.
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Exactly. I'm curious how this became a national issue instead of a local one. So far I believe I'm the only one who posted in this thread who actually is a woman living in NH. What happens here is strictly impacting us and nobody else.

The parsing of his words is more concerning than anything he actually said. Including but not limited to the intentional exclusion of the words "by money" after the comment about men being more motivated than women. And for HuffPo to straight out lie about what he said really shocks me. Or maybe it shouldn't.
 
Slyfox696 said:
First of all, it's a state senator. Who really cares?

Second of all, his constant saying of "it's the statistics" was stupid. His interpretations are not in the statistics.

Third of all, disingenuous parsing of his words is disingenuous. While he said it very poorly, and said it in ways which can be considered offensive, it doesn't change the fact his general point is not necessarily wrong. He said it in a terrible way, but for anyone to deny society historically (and presently) expects far more from the man than the woman, in terms of work and pay, is to simply deny reality.
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You are REALLY wrong in this case, he is making an argument to oppose legislative action in the NH House for equal pay for equal work, no wage discrimination based on gender for the same work.

This already passed their Senate, he is a Republican.

I'm surprised to see you taking this position.
 
a351 said:
Which of course wasn't an argument that was actually made. His claim that women aren't as motivated by money is based on the fact that men, generally speaking, go to greater lengths to acquire it, whether that be in the form of more dangerous vocations, longer work hours, etc. As a result, the fact that women earn less than men on average is unsurprising and not in need of a legislative solution. That's the actual argument being made here, and one that is not entirely unreasonable.
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This does not guarantee equal pay for unequal work, you have not understood the legislation in question.

This bill in essence says if you do the same job, you get the same RATE OF PAY, no discrimination based on gender.
 
tres borrachos said:
Exactly. I'm curious how this became a national issue instead of a local one.
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Because, just like the Bundy issue, we have a conservative/GOP doing some REALLY dumb things.

And as usual, his ilk will try to defend his position.
 
tres borrachos said:
Not me. And I live in the state.

It's just an opinion. He thinks men are more motivated by money than women are. That's pretty benign as far as I'm concerned.
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The funny thing is, based on Democrat ideology, what he said was actually a knock on men rather than on women.
 
soot said:
It's clear this guy has never met my wife; who makes more money than something like 96% of American men.
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Evil four percenter!! :2razz:
 
AN ACT relative to paycheck equity.

Be it Enacted by the Senate and House of Representatives in General Court convened:

1 Discrimination in the Workplace; Definitions; Equal Pay. RSA 275:37 is repealed and reenacted to read as follows:

275:37 Equal Pay.

I. No employer or person seeking employees shall discriminate between employees on the basis of sex by paying employees of one sex at a rate less than the rate paid to employees of the other sex for equal work that requires equal skill, effort, and responsibility and is performed under similar working conditions, except where such payment is made pursuant to:

(a) A seniority system;

(b) A merit or performance-based system;

(c) A system which measures earnings by quantity or quality of production;

(d) Expertise;

(e) Shift differentials;

(f) A demonstrable factor other than sex, such as education, training, or experience.

II. An employer who is paying wages in violation of this section shall not reduce the wage rate of any other employee in order to comply with this section.


SB 0207
 
jmotivator said:
The funny thing is, based on Democrat ideology, what he said was actually a knock on men rather than on women.
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Yup it was. But the partisans crawl out of the wordwork with their faux outrage anyway.

I was just looking at some census data on my lovely Live Free or Die state. In 2011 we had the highest median household income in the country ($61,042) but also one of the lowest populations of people earning over $200,000 of any state in the country. On the balance, it looks like incomes here are just about as good as they could be.
 
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