The so called gender pay gap is documented by the US department of Labor unfortunately what the progressive liars leave out is why the gap exists.
The same study from the US department of Labor shows that shows men work more overtime and pursue dangerous jobs more then women. Men will choose jobs which require a long commute or extended periods of travel more than women do. And of course more women choose to stay home and raise kids.
The gender pay gap is a gap measured between all women and all men. It is the result of individual choices people make in their jobs and lives.
All the NH representative did was to remind people of these facts and shut down the false narrative about gender discrimination.
I'd like to see hard proof that women are paid a lesser rate than men when all things, position, experience, performance, education, etc. are equal. At every place I've ever worked, that has never been the least bit true.
You don't seem to be understanding basic ideas right now. I don't care what some stupid state legislator said. I only came into the thread because I thought it was a Congressman who made this claim. Once I was in the thread and read some of the comments, I made my own comment. You then replied to me. I now care about correcting your statements about what I said.You STILL don't get your IRONY!
Yet...here you are....the IRONY!
And CARING to COMMENT...LOL.
Seriously, this isn't hard.
But it wasn't untrue. There is a very real bias in America regarding men and working/making money. I don't agree with the lawmaker it should preclude women from earning equal money, but he is right where there is more societal pressure to make money.No, I took issue with the untruth of his statements.....and those who choose to defend him/his statements.
I'm not defending anything but the truth. If me speaking the truth causes some random person on the Internet to lose some imagined respect for me, I honestly could not care less. The fact is the man's premise, at least what was posted in the video, is correct. I don't agree women should not receive equal pay, but I do agree men are historically more motivated to try and earn money, due to the traditional role of the man as the provider.Well, there you are. I had thought you avoided stupid argument, and never imagined you to defend it.
Why are you struggling with something so simple? What he said is correct. I do not agree with his overall position.But, you are not, you cannot separate his argument from false use of "facts"....unless you are going to blindly ignore his objective.
For example, it is a women earn less than men. It's a fact. But if someone used that fact and said women are inferior workers because they don't earn as much, I would disagree completely with that statement. One can agree to a fact while not agreeing to a position.
No, no you are not. The plank is one part of a platform. The platform, according to what you said, is this lawmaker's opposition to equal pay. One of the planks to the platform, one of the things he uses to justify his position, is the fact men are traditionally more likely to be seen as providers for the family.FFS, you are discussing platform if you are discussing "planks".
Yeah...you don't seem interested in rational discussion if you think a statement of historical accuracy is Nazi propaganda.This is BS, and Im going Godwin here, to support a plank of NAZI propaganda is a very dangerous thing to do.
But I'm not. Or, so you may understand, BUT I'M NOT.You are IF YOU ARE USING IT AS A RATIONALE FOR NOT ENFORCING EQUAL PAY.
Which I'm not defending. All I'm saying is his statement was mostly accurate.In an argument to not enforce equal pay.
So you ARE saying there is not a societal pressure for the men to be providers for the family? That a stay at home mom isn't cherished while a stay at home dad isn't a bum? That men aren't seen as the ones required to put bread on the table? There's no pressure on males to pay for dates? Women don't traditionally seek a marriage partner who can provide for them? You don't believe any of these things are ideas reinforced in our society?It is a GENERALITY that creates a false description of US rates of pay. For single women, there is a REAL pressure to provide, not some imagined, vague "societal pressure".
When you come up with a real description of "societal pressure", let me know.
It is a BS argument, the economic pressure to provide is a real thing, and is more pronounced upon those with unequal pay.
Of course you do. You know it's accurate. That doesn't mean women don't work hard or don't deserve equal pay, but a stay at home mom is an accepted lifestyle, while a dad who stays at home is traditionally a deadbeat. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, only that it's true.
I don't know what bug has crawled up your rear end, but it's causing you to react in less than flattering ways.
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His supporting argument to support his position, his "general point", is to use non-sequitur argument...such as:
These are arguments that do not apply to RATE OF PAY. Women who do these same risky jobs, put in the same hours, should not be denied the same RATE OF PAY. His argument conflates length of time worked with rate of pay.Originally Posted by Representative Will Infantine
So you see, it truly is his "general point" that is "disingenuous".
You can try to argue that you are not replying to his position on the legislation, but really, you are, when you talk about his "general point". A legislator who is on the floor speaking to the body, expressing his or her support or opposition to legislation before the body.....is making his or her "general point", ie their position, known. To try to wiggle away with any other description of this is disingenuous.
And just to put a cherry on top:
On Friday, Infantine told News 9 that he does not believe what he was saying on Wednesday. He was just reading from a government report.
Infantine told News 9 he wants to clarify that the views he expressed are not his own.
Infantine said he believes women and men should have equal pay.
"Of course they should," he said. "I've said this before. I have a mother, a sister, a wife and two daughters. Why would I think my female relatives or anyone I know -- including my staff here who's been inundated with nasty phone calls -- why should they not receive the same pay as a man? They should. I've never been against that."
On Wednesday, Infantine voted against the Paycheck Equity Act.
Read more: State rep. tries to clarify comments on equal pay | Politics - WMUR Home
Two days later and this still isn't being discussed by people in our state, just on message boards by Liberal men who live in the opposite corner of the country, and a few left wing sites. Nobody up here cares. Including me.
But at all makes for good political theater - and a chance for left wing sites to put words into a GOP lawmaker's mouth.
They do the same thing with African-Americans.