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AJiveMan said:

Not really. This is what you posted;



I'm better with math than you are.

I'll make it easier for you.

Which number would be greater in a demographic?

39% of 13.1% (black American population)
or
38% or 77% (white American population)

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You're not better with math.

If you're going to use the stat of total welfare recipients (38% to 39%), you have to start with the total number of welfare recipients, not the entire population.

100 people receive welfare:
38 are white
39 are black

That still doesn't change it. He's right - more blacks than whites receive welfare. Unless I read it wrong, the stats of 38% and 39% were statistics by race of the total number of welfare recipients, not statistics by race of the total population. Those would be completely different numbers.

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Boo Radley said:

I'm sorry, he had call to speak at all. And there is no context that justify his comments. You can tell yourself there is until the end of time, but there isn't.

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And you are simply wrong.
Which is truly sad given that he was speaking of concern, not disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
It is you who are speaking those things.

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Excon said:

As you are the one who was destroyed, they are more than appropriate to laugh at your further and repeated denials.


There you go again with your ridiculously false claim of denial and illogically using it to deflect.
No one is denying that at times whites may be the majority receiving certain benefits.
It has been acknowledged and stated that whites should make up a greater number.
Yet you repeatedly ignoring that in favor of your ridiculous position. D'oh!
And frankly, whether or not you think factual information is disparaging, matters not.
It is factual.
Trying to dismiss factual information is ridiculous.

The breakdown of those numbers is what matters.


And that doesn't hold true for tanf benefits, but you wont let that stop your absurd claims.


And as the information already provided shows that blacks receive "over all welfare" in greater numbers.
As previously provided by two others, apparently on opposite sides of the coin.
Welfare Statistics | Statistic Brain
Which gives us the following numbers.

Welfare Demographics
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %​

So you have nothing but snap benefits to refer to.
And then blacks receive them in far greater numbers by population than white do by their respective population.
That breakdown of numbers is what matters.

As it was calculated, those numbers for the respective black population show that roughly 26% of the black population receive benefits.
While roughly only 7% of whites do.

Do you really not understand that?
Those are the facts.
Deal with them.



iLOL
:lamo
Not by respective population. Which is what matters. And not by the over-all numbers provided from the others.

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In other words....I can't win this argument even if I keep acting as if the issue is percentages...wwwaahhhhaahhh!!!
I'm now done with the issue, on to other posts.

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reconmark said:

In other words....I can't win this argument even if I keep acting as if the issue is percentages...wwwaahhhhaahhh!!!
I'm now done with the issue, on to other posts.

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You can't win because your position is dishonest to the actual numbers that are relevant.
So yes, you can cry all you want. :baby2
It wont change the fact that blacks are on welfare in disproportionately higher numbers in respect to their relative population numbers.

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Excon said:

It wont change the fact that blacks are on welfare in disproportionately higher numbers in respect to their relative population numbers.

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Typical racist crap spewed by those completely ignorant of sociology.

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ecofarm said:

Typical racist crap spewed by those completely ignorant of sociology.

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:slapme:
Facts are not racist.
Saying so is the spewing of ignorant crap.

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Excon said:

:slapme:
Facts are not racist.
Saying so is the spewing of ignorant crap.

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Facts without context or understanding are often the spew of racists.

I didn't dispute the numbers. I disputed your conclusions, which are based in ignorance of sociology.

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ecofarm said:

Facts without context or understanding are often the spew of racists.

I didn't dispute the numbers. I disputed your conclusions, which are based in ignorance of sociology.

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And you are wrong as I am only providing the facts in context to what is being spoken about.
Nor have you disputed them.
If the information they are based on is correct, you can not dispute them.

Apparently, you, like others, just don't like reality being revealed.
That is on you, not me.

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Excon said:

And you are wrong as I am only providing the facts in context to what is being spoken about.
Nor have you disputed them.
If the information they are based on is correct, you can not dispute them.

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You are using facts without (sociological) context or understanding to make racist insinuations. A child can see this. Do you think you're the first person to push this racist crap? We've all seen it before. The only thing you're illustrating is your own ignorance.

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ecofarm said:

You are using facts without (sociological) context or understanding to make racist insinuations.

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No I am not. That exists solely in your own convoluted racist thoughts and is an absurdly ridiculous claim.

And if you want to start applying your sociological context to them please feel free to start the thread.
It matters not to the actual numbers are.

So start a thread. Or are you just someone who wants to make false claims of racism without discussing?

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Excon said:

No I am not. That exists solely in your own convoluted racist thoughts and is an absurdly ridiculous claim.

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Yeah, sure. Like we've never seen context-free racist crap before. Keep pushing that stat, it lets everyone know what you're about.

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AJiveMan said:

I'm better with math than you are.

I'll make it easier for you.

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So, since you haven't shown you really aren't better, let me break it down even further than I already did.
The previous breakdown was based on a google search for the estimated population number which given was 313,900,000.
Apparently it was a rounded number of the 2012 estimate of 313,873,685.


But lets stick with the more accurate number and limit any rounding until the end.

Using the information from the site you chose we find that 4.1% of the population is on welfare.
38.8% of that 4,1% is white.
39.8% of that 4.1% is black.

4.1% of the total population of 313,873,685 = 12868821.085.

39.8% of 12868821.085 = 5,121,790.79183 of black folks receiving welfare which is 1.6318% of the whole population.
38.8% of 12868821.085 = 4,993,102.58098 of white folks receiving welfare which is 1.5908% of the whole population.

So those numbers already show that blacks receive welfare more than whites.
(again, and I can not stress this enough, this is based on that sites numbers, as I have no idea what they are using in total to come up with their welfare numbers.)

And the percentages as a whole is not what matters to this argument as it was being said that more whites receive welfare then blacks.
Which they should, being the largest segment of the population, but do not. Which is made obviously by this sites info. And by respective population breakdown, the numbers show they are disproportionately higher for blacks.



As you provided from the Census Bureau. (overlooking the lower 63% number)

Whites at 77.9% of the whole population of 313,873,685 = 244,507,600.615
Blacks at 13.1% of the whole population of  313,873,685 =     41,117,452.735


4,993,102.58098 of 244,507,600.615 = what %?
2.04210526315789%

41,117,452.735 of 41,117,452.735 = what %?
12.14351145038168%


So by individual demographic based information at the site you chose and rounded:
Roughly 2% of the white population is on welfare, while roughly 12.1% of the black population is on welfare.

Anybody can see those numbers are disproportionate.

This ends your math lesson.

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ecofarm said:

Yeah, sure. Like we've never seen context-free racist crap before. Keep pushing that stat, it lets everyone know what you're about.

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I see. You are someone who just wants to spew your own version of racist crap without bothering to start a topic to discuss it. Figures.

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Excon said:

I see. You are someone who just wants to spew your own version of racist crap without bothering to start a topic to discuss it. Figures.

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Yeah, sure. Like we cannot see.

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ecofarm said:

Yeah, sure. Like we cannot see.

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Obviously you can't and are blinded by your own convoluted racist thoughts.

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Excon said:

Obviously you can't and are blinded by your own convoluted racist thoughts.

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That must be it.

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zimmer said:

You fail to understand the point... but with your 3 minutes here that isn't surprising.

Bundy was pointing out government intervention has resulted in another form of enslavement... he did say something about not wanting to go back... did he not? He did show praise and respect for Mexicans... did he not?

I don't know, but I think it might be time to start a Biggus Thickus list and create an annual award for those who simply fail to or choose not to see the obvious as they are blinded by ideology or are too intellectually dishonest to admit they were wrong.

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Seriously?
Cliven Bundy is a vile, poisonous racist bastard. He's one of the group of humans who needs to be silenced, shunned, ostracised and completely forgotten after he dies. He and all like him, and all who support and/or agree with him, are the worst examples of humanity's most abysmal failure.
Is that clear enough for you?

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ecofarm said:

That must be it.

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Of course it is.
As the numbers are independent of any reason you think they are what they are.
And especially as those numbers were used to reveal the truth in reply to the false claim of another.

Now, like I said, if you want to start a topic on what you think the sociological context is, be my guest. It is irrelevant to their use here in reply to another.

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mac said:

Ok, here ya go:

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Read the context again, God my 4 year old nephew even understood it.

It isn't the System's fault the person is on welfare. That is personal responsibility. However, just because it isn't the System's Fault, doesn't mean the system is without faults. You are claiming I said something which I didn't.

Again, I didn't say the system had no faults, I said it wasn't the system's fault the person is on welfare.

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Grand Mal said:

Seriously?
Cliven Bundy is a vile, poisonous racist bastard. He's one of the group of humans who needs to be silenced, shunned, ostracised and completely forgotten after he dies. He and all like him, and all who support and/or agree with him, are the worst examples of humanity's most abysmal failure.
Is that clear enough for you?

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So you did fail to understand, as you couldn't be more wrong.
His words were of concern. Not hatred, not disparaging, and not of intolerance.
They are nothing like your words which are disparaging, full of hatred and intolerance.

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j-mac said:

Yes don't believe the black republican whom they were thrown at....Cuz, we all know that he was not telling the truth right?

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Uhhhh.....no? I'm saying you should probably read the full text, since it is a link you, yourself provided, and it is saying something completely different from what you are saying.

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Excon said:

So you did fail to understand, as you are obviously wrong.
His words were of concern. Not hatred, not disparaging, and not of intolerance.
They are nothing like your words which are disparaging, full of hatred and intolerance.

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'Disparaging, full of hatred, intolerance', all that stuff. Glad I got my meaning through. I do disparage his position, I hate his kind and I won't tolerate him when I have the option.

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Grand Mal said:

'Disparaging, full of hatred, intolerance', all that stuff. Glad I got my meaning through. I do disparage his position, I hate his kind and I won't tolerate him when I have the option.

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You hate what you believe he is. The problem with that is that he isn't what you believe.

His words were not racist and he is not a racist.
They were of concern. They were not disparaging, or of hatred, or of intolerance. And nowhere did he say his race was better.
Nothing he said is racist or racism.
Absolutely nothing.

On the other hand, your words clearly fit the definition.

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Excon said:

So you did fail to understand, as you couldn't be more wrong.
His words were of concern. Not hatred, not disparaging, and not of intolerance.
They are nothing like your words which are disparaging, full of hatred and intolerance.

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Really, Excon? You honestly believe Cliven Bundy's words about Negros (Blacks) were truly out of concern for us? Let's re-examine what he said:

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” Bundy said during one of his daily press conferences. “ecause they were basically on government subsidy, so now what do they do? They abort their young children; they put their young men in jail, because they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered, are they better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things, or are they better off under government subsidy? They didn’t get no more freedom. They got less freedom.”

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If he were truly concerned, why choose slavery as a way we, Black people, can improve our upward mobility? Why not just say "...are they better off working minimum wage jobs..." or take the Newt Gingrinch approach of janitorial work instead? Hell, I'd even accept him having said "sharecropper" over "slaves". At least then I could buy into the idea that somehow Blacks stood a marginal chance of having something for themselves. But as slaves? Really? You really want (Black) people to believe he spoke out of genuine concern?

Really?

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Objective Voice said:

Really, Excon? You honestly believe Cliven Bundy's words about Negros (Blacks) were truly out of concern for us? Let's re-examine what he said:



If he were truly concerned, why choose slavery as a way we, Black people, can improve our upward mobility? Why not just say "...are they better off working minimum wage jobs..." or take the Newt Gingrinch approach of janitorial work instead? Hell, I'd even accept him having said "sharecropper" over "slaves". At least then I could buy into the idea that somehow Blacks stood a marginal chance of having something for themselves. But as slaves? Really? You really want (Black) people to believe he spoke out of genuine concern?

Really?

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Yes really.
Just because one is not able to express their thoughts clearly and the words antiquated, does not mean they are a racist.
He was speaking of work ethic, that as a result of welfare, wasn't taught.
His words, in context, show he was speaking of concern.


Those are not the words of a racist.