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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Excon said:
You arte the one who lost. Especially as your argument is dishonest.
And I just discovered that your snap benefits stats were old than the ones I provided. Go figure.
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Still here...why?
Do you also stalk in real life, go away.
If you can't admit you lost this, there's no need for further posts to me...get lost!!
 
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reconmark said:
Still here...why?
Do you also stalk in real life, go away.
If you can't admit you lost this, there's no need for further posts to me...get lost!!
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If this is about winning and loosing for you, then you are the one that lost with your absurd numbers argument and false claims of racism.

And if replying to what you say is stalking, then you are also a stalker. So stop. :lamo

But as we know, that is just another false claim of yours. :doh
So since this is about winning and loosing for you, please continue loosing. It is funny to watch. :slapme:




Boo Radley said:
Yep, picking cotton under a slave master was great work ethic. The point is, his examples show him to be racist. The context doesn't change that. We could say slaves had great work ethic when they picked that cotton, as he did. But that still paints a racist view.
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Wrong.

Picking cotton under a slave master? That isn't what he said.
Like I said you are reading way too much into his words.

Paints a racist view?
No, your reading into what he said is racist. Not what he actually said.
So again, he was speaking of concern. Not disparaging or hatred or intolerance.
To claim the words were racist is just a delusional fantasy that exists in the thinkers head.
 
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Excon said:
If this is about winning and loosing for you, then you are the one that lost with your absurd numbers argument and false claims of racism.

And if replying to what you say is stalking, then you are also a stalker. So stop. :lamo

But as we know, that is just another false claim of yours. :doh
So since this is about winning and loosing for you, please continue loosing. It is funny to watch. :slapme:




Wrong.

Picking cotton under a slave master? That isn't what he said.
Like I said you are reading way too much into his words.

Paints a racist view?
No, your reading into what he said is racist. Not what he actually said.
So again, he was speaking of concern. Not disparaging or hatred or intolerance.
To claim the words were racist is just a delusional fantasy that exists in the thinkers head.
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Say no more because you indeed have lost. When you attempt to ignore facts, you always loose.
Go away!!!
 
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TheNextEra said:
Again, that's not a trap, that's an abuse of the system BY THE PERSON. Not the systems fault, it is the person's own fault and noone else's.
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Well, it's a very abusable system. :shrug:
 
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mac said:
Well, it's a very abusable system. :shrug:
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Yes it is, I never said it didn't need reform.
 
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TheNextEra said:
Yes it is, I never said it didn't need reform.
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But you said there was no fault in the system...
 
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mac said:
But you said there was no fault in the system...
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You'll have to point out where I said there was no fault in the system, I never said that. I said the system wasn't to blame for the person being on welfare.
 
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Excon said:
If this is about winning and loosing for you, then you are the one that lost with your absurd numbers argument and false claims of racism.

And if replying to what you say is stalking, then you are also a stalker. So stop. :lamo

But as we know, that is just another false claim of yours. :doh
So since this is about winning and loosing for you, please continue loosing. It is funny to watch. :slapme:




Wrong.

Picking cotton under a slave master? That isn't what he said.
Like I said you are reading way too much into his words.

Paints a racist view?
No, your reading into what he said is racist. Not what he actually said.
So again, he was speaking of concern. Not disparaging or hatred or intolerance.
To claim the words were racist is just a delusional fantasy that exists in the thinkers head.
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Nope. I'm taking what he said as he said it, in the context he said it in, it still comes up racist. Sorry.
 
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Lose: To not win, to misplace
Loose: Your best friend's sister in High School
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

TheNextEra said:
You'll have to point out where I said there was no fault in the system, I never said that. I said the system wasn't to blame for the person being on welfare.
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Ok, here ya go:

TheNextEra said:
Again, that's not a trap, that's an abuse of the system BY THE PERSON. Not the systems fault, it is the person's own fault and noone else's.
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Boo Radley said:
Nope. I'm taking what he said as he said it, in the context he said it in, it still comes up racist. Sorry.
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No you are not.
Nothing he said was racist.
Absolutely nothing.
He was not disparaging the black man.
He was not saying his race was better than the black man's.
He was not speaking hatred for the black man.
And he was not speaking intolerance of the black man.

Any claim of racist or racism fails.


His comments have to be taken out of context of the concern he was expressing to make such false claims. Which is why they are false.

Sorry you do not understand that, but you are simply wrong.




reconmark said:
Say no more because you indeed have lost. When you attempt to ignore facts, you always loose.
Go away!!!
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:lamo:lamo:lamo

Said the person ignoring the facts

Like I already said.
If this is about winning and losing than you have clearly lost.
Your numbers argument was absurd and your claims of racism are false.
Nothing he said was racist.


reconmark said:
When we start talking about govt subsidies with honesty instead of trying to consistently use it as a weapon against Black people and minorities, then numbers and percentages won't matter to me.
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How absurd.
An honesty involves breaking it down.

The percentages of respective population matter more than the numbers on a whole.
Your failure to understand that its your fault.
But we get it. You don't like the truth being told.
A larger percentage of the black population is on welfare when compared to the percentage of white population on welfare.
That is honest. And you don't like it.
Too bad, your dislike of facts is meaningless.




Buck Ewer said:
Bundy spoke of the "the negro" as though they were all living on the public dole or in jail.
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No he didn't.
That exists solely in your own thoughts. And those thoughts are wrong.
He was speaking concern clearly of those negro's effected by welfare.

It takes special mental gymnastics to suggest otherwise.
 
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Excon said:
No you are not.
Nothing he said was racist.
Absolutely nothing.
He was not disparaging the black man.
He was not saying his race was better than the black man's.
He was not speaking hatred for the black man.
And he was not speaking intolerance of the black man.

Any claim of racist or racism fails.


His comments have to be taken out of context of the concern he was expressing to make such false claims. Which is why they are false.

Sorry you do not understand that, but you are simply wrong.




:lamo:lamo:lamo

Said the person ignoring the facts

Like I already said.
If this is about winning and losing than you have clearly lost.
Your numbers argument was absurd and your claims of racism are false.
Nothing he said was racist.


How absurd.
An honesty involves breaking it down.

The percentages of respective population matter more than the numbers on a whole.
Your failure to understand that its your fault.
But we get it. You don't like the truth being told.
A larger percentage of the black population is on welfare when compared to the percentage of white population on welfare.
That is honest. And you don't like it.
Too bad, your dislike of facts is meaningless.




No he didn't.
That exists solely in your own thoughts. And those thoughts are wrong.
He was speaking concern clearly of those negro's effected by welfare.

It takes special mental gymnastics to suggest otherwise.
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For about the 5th or 6th time you have sent a post including animated gifs, yet still can't be adult enough that the narrative you attempted to spend was destroyed.

The percentages of respective population matter more than the numbers on a whole.
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Yeah, we know that's more important to "some people" it's a way to paint a certain viewpoint about Blacks and Minorities when one can't stand the scrutiny being on White people.

There are more White mouths feeding from the govt subsidy trough than Black mouth.
Deny all you want, deflect all you want, you can even send another post with animated gifs...lol.
 
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reconmark said:
For about the 5th or 6th time you have sent a post including animated gifs, yet still can't be adult enough that the narrative you attempted to spend was destroyed.
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As you are the one who was destroyed, they are more than appropriate to laugh at your further and repeated denials.


reconmark said:
Yeah, we know that's more important to "some people" it's a way to paint a certain viewpoint about Blacks and Minorities when one can't stand the scrutiny being on White people.

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Deny all you want, deflect all you want, you can even send another post with animated gifs...lol.
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There you go again with your ridiculously false claim of denial and illogically using it to deflect.
No one is denying that at times whites may be the majority receiving certain benefits.
It has been acknowledged and stated that whites should make up a greater number.
Yet you repeatedly ignoring that in favor of your ridiculous position. D'oh!
And frankly, whether or not you think factual information is disparaging, matters not.
It is factual.
Trying to dismiss factual information is ridiculous.

The breakdown of those numbers is what matters.


And that doesn't hold true for tanf benefits, but you wont let that stop your absurd claims.


And as the information already provided shows that blacks receive "over all welfare" in greater numbers.
As previously provided by two others, apparently on opposite sides of the coin.
Welfare Statistics | Statistic Brain
Which gives us the following numbers.

Welfare Demographics
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %​




So you have nothing but snap benefits to refer to.
And then blacks receive them in far greater numbers by population than white do by their respective population.
That breakdown of numbers is what matters.

As it was calculated, those numbers for the respective black population show that roughly 26% of the black population receive benefits.
While roughly only 7% of whites do.

Do you really not understand that?
Those are the facts.
Deal with them.



reconmark said:
There are more White mouths feeding from the govt subsidy trough than Black mouth.
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iLOL
:lamo
Not by respective population. Which is what matters. And not by the over-all numbers provided from the others.
 
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Welfare Demographics
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %

And then blacks receive them in far greater numbers by population than white do by their respective population.
That breakdown of numbers is what matters.
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NO.
Only in percentage.
American population by percentage;

White alone, percent, 2012 (a) 77.9%

Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 13.1%

USA QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Whites out number blacks in America. Which would mean that since there is only a 1% difference between blacks and whites, most people on welfare are whites. It also means that about 1/2 of that 77.9% of whites are receiving welfare.

What was you sayin' about blacks on welfare again?

I see someone's argument failing badly here.
Of course, I'll expect further arguments that the census facts are not accurate, statistics brain is the one to believe.

Hey, pass this information onto Bundy, see if he believes it.
 
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AJiveMan said:
NO.
Only in percentage.
American population by percentage;

White alone, percent, 2012 (a) 77.9%

Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 13.1%

USA QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Whites out number blacks in America. Which would mean that since there is only a 1% difference between blacks and whites, most people on welfare are whites.

I see someone's argument failing badly here.
Of course, I'll expect further arguments that the census facts are not accurate, statistics brain is the one to believe.
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Huh?

I don't have a horse in this race, but what difference is the overall population to what you guys are arguing about?

It wouldn't matter if 99% of Americans are Asian.

If there are x number of welfare recipients, and 38.8% of them are (insert race x here) and 39.8% of them are (insert race y here), then race y gets more in welfare than race x.

100 people buy the same shirt
39% of them buy it in red
38% of them buy it in blue

That's means there were 1% more red shirts than blue shirts sold. It isn't relevant what percent of the total shirts manufactured were blue.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Huh?

I don't have a horse in this race, but what difference is the overall population to what you guys are arguing about?

It wouldn't matter if 99% of Americans are Asian.

If there are x number of welfare recipients, and 38.8% of them are (insert race x here) and 39.8% of them are (insert race y here), then race y gets more in welfare than race x.

100 people buy the same shirt
39% of them buy it in red
38% of them buy it in blue

That's means there were 1% more red shirts than blue shirts sold. It isn't relevant what percent of the total shirts manufactured were blue.
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Please see post # 961.
This is a brief of it;

A larger percentage of the black population is on welfare when compared to the percentage of white population on welfare.
That is honest. And you don't like it.
Too bad, your dislike of facts is meaningless.
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I was pointing out to this member that while the percentage statistics are close, 1% more black on welfare, he or she conveniently ignored that whites outnumber blacks in America by population numbers, meaning, there are actually more whites on welfare than blacks on welfare.

That is all.
 
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AJiveMan said:
NO.
Only in percentage.
American population by percentage;

White alone, percent, 2012 (a) 77.9%

Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 13.1%

USA QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Whites out number blacks in America. Which would mean that since there is only a 1% difference between blacks and whites, most people on welfare are whites.

I see someone's argument failing badly here.
Of course, I'll expect further arguments that the census facts are not accurate, statistics brain is the one to believe.
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Wtf?
:lamo
You are failing to make any relevant point.
Especially as there are two separate points there.
Especially as it has already been acknowledged, and stated that whites should make up greater numbers because they are the greatest portion of the population. Duh!

Nothing you said changes the information provided by others or the actual breakdown by respective population.

One was over all percentages of population.
Others provided that information.
Which is why I sated it that way.
Earlier when referenced, I said (if their numbers were accurate).
I have no idea if they are, or what they are using in total to come to such conclusion.
But it is what they list as over-all stats.
Welfare Demographics
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %​

Under this blacks receive more welfare.


The other point was specifically about the snap benefits by respective population.

Of which roughly 26% of the black population receive, as compared to roughly 7% of the white population that receives them.
If you do not understand that, it means that black receive snap benefits in a disproportionately higher number in regards to respective population than white do.


And in reference to the census data, not that this matters to any argument made.
A little further reading brings us to the following.
White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 | 63.0%​
 
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AJiveMan said:
I was pointing out to this member that while the percentage statistics are close, 1% more black on welfare, he or she conveniently ignored that whites outnumber blacks in America by population numbers, meaning, there are actually more whites on welfare than blacks on welfare.

That is all.
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And you are incorrect, as nothing has been ignored.
Apparently you failed to understand what you read, as both aspects have been addressed.

In regards to respective populations blacks receive far more than white do.
For snap the roughly 26% of the population receives the benefit, while only 7% of the white population does.
Those numbers show a disproportionality.
 
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Excon said:
Wtf?
:lamo
You are failing to make any relevant point.
Especially as there are two separate points there.
Especially as it has already been acknowledged, and stated that whites should make up greater numbers because they are the greatest portion of the population. Duh!

Nothing you said changes the information provided by others or the actual breakdown by respective population.

One was over all percentages of population.
Others provided that information.
Which is why I sated it that way.
Earlier when referenced, I said (if their numbers were accurate).
I have no idea if they are, or what they are using in total to come to such conclusion.
But it is what they list as over-all stats.
Welfare Demographics
Percent of recipients who are white 38.8 %
Percent of recipients who are black 39.8 %​


The other point was specifically about the snap benefits by respective population.

Of which roughly 26% of the black population receive, as compared to roughly 7% of the white population that receives them.
If you do not understand that, it means that black receive snap benefits in a disproportionately higher number in than white do.


And in reference to the census data, not that this matters to any argument made.
A little further reading brings us to the following.
White alone, not Hispanic or Latino, percent, 2012 | 63.0%​
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I believe you're guilty of not making a valid point through the entire thread.

You can post all the ignorant percentages you want, while still ignoring population numbers (demographics) and the breakdown of those numbers.

When you make it a point to denigrate a race by stating there's more of these on welfare than there are of those, be prepared to be called out on it.

Like I stated earlier, by demographics, there are more white people receiving welfare than black people, if you wish to stand by your percentages you posted earlier.
 
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Excon said:
And you are incorrect, as nothing has been ignored.
Apparently you failed to understand what you read, as both aspects have been addressed.
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Not really. This is what you posted;

A larger percentage of the black population is on welfare when compared to the percentage of white population on welfare.
That is honest. And you don't like it.
Too bad, your dislike of facts is meaningless.
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I'm better with math than you are.

I'll make it easier for you.

Which number would be greater in a demographic?

39% of 13.1% (black American population)
or
38% or 77% (white American population)
 
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AJiveMan said:
I believe you're guilty of not making a valid point through the entire thread.

You can post all the ignorant percentages you want, while still ignoring population numbers (demographics) and the breakdown of those numbers.

When you make it a point to denigrate a race by stating there's more of these on welfare than there are of those, be prepared to be called out on it.

Like I stated earlier, by demographics, there are more white people receiving welfare than black people, if you wish to stand by your percentages you posted earlier.
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Yes that is what you would be guilty of.

In regards to respective populations blacks receive far more than white do.
For snap, roughly 26% of the black population receives the benefit, while only 7% of the white population does.
Those numbers show a disproportionality.

If things were equal and even, 72% of the population would be receiving 72% of the benefits and 12% of the population should be receiving 12% of the benefits.
But it isn't that way, the numbers are disproportionate.


The other poster showed that he understood this when he attempted to provided an argument that the amount of benefits received was in-line with said demographic. The problem with that was the stats that statement relied on included programs far removed from welfare and was thus a false claim.

The numbers are disproportionate with the demographics. Sorry you don't like that, but your argument fails.




AJiveMan said:
Not really. This is what you posted;



I'm better with math than you are.

I'll make it easier for you.

Which number would be greater in a demographic?

39% of 13.1% (black American population)
or
38% or 77% (white American population)
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Obviously you are not better at math than I am.
You fail to even understand the numbers you are using.
iLOL
:lamo:lamo:lamo

Let me make it easier for you.
The percentages you listed, (39% and 38%) represent the percentages of recipients of the program(s).
Not of the population as a whole. Duh!

So if we choose to use those numbers from that site, it also tells us that the total number of welfare recipients equals 4.1% of the population, which would roughly be 12,869,900. So the 38.8% and 39.8% percent would be of that number, which you then have to breakdown to percentage of the respective population.
39.8% = 5122220.2
38.8% = 4993521.2

Now break that down by respective population to get an accurate representation.

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Excon said:
No you are not.
Nothing he said was racist.
Absolutely nothing.
He was not disparaging the black man.
He was not saying his race was better than the black man's.
He was not speaking hatred for the black man.
And he was not speaking intolerance of the black man.

Any claim of racist or racism fails.


His comments have to be taken out of context of the concern he was expressing to make such false claims. Which is why they are false.

Sorry you do not understand that, but you are simply wrong.




:lamo:lamo:lamo

Said the person ignoring the facts

Like I already said.
If this is about winning and losing than you have clearly lost.
Your numbers argument was absurd and your claims of racism are false.
Nothing he said was racist.


How absurd.
An honesty involves breaking it down.

The percentages of respective population matter more than the numbers on a whole.
Your failure to understand that its your fault.
But we get it. You don't like the truth being told.
A larger percentage of the black population is on welfare when compared to the percentage of white population on welfare.
That is honest. And you don't like it.
Too bad, your dislike of facts is meaningless.




No he didn't.
That exists solely in your own thoughts. And those thoughts are wrong.
He was speaking concern clearly of those negro's effected by welfare.

It takes special mental gymnastics to suggest otherwise.
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I'm afraid you're just wrong. He screams racists. Sorry.
 
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Boo Radley said:
I'm afraid you're just wrong. He screams racists. Sorry.
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No, it is you who falsely scream racist.
Which is truly sad given that he was speaking of concern, not disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
It is you who are speaking those things.
 
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AJiveMan said:
Please see post # 961.
This is a brief of it;



I was pointing out to this member that while the percentage statistics are close, 1% more black on welfare, he or she conveniently ignored that whites outnumber blacks in America by population numbers, meaning, there are actually more whites on welfare than blacks on welfare.

That is all.
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Then that person would be correct, assuming your stats on the overall population are correct.

You said:

White alone, percent, 2012 (a) 77.9%

Black or African American alone, percent, 2012 (a) 13.1%


If 39.8% of welfare recipients are black, and 38.8% of them are white, and blacks are only 13.1% of the total population, then that means that there ARE a larger percentage of blacks of welfare than white. They are virtually equal in terms of the population of recipients, but there are about 6 1/2 times as many white people as black people, so a smaller percentage of white people are on welfare.

If there are 100 people, applying your statistics from the census:
78 of them are white
13 of them are black

Of those 100 people, say 25 receive welfare. 38% of them are white - 9 people. 39% of them are black - 9 people. If 9 out of 13 blacks receive welfare, and 9 out of 78 whites receive welfare, a larger percentage of blacks receive welfare. That's a statistical fact.

I don't think you meant to do it, but you actually validated his post.
 
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Excon said:
No, it is you who falsely scream racist.
Which is truly sad given that he was speaking of concern, not disparagement, hatred or intolerance.
It is you who are speaking those things.
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I'm sorry, he had call to speak at all. And there is no context that justify his comments. You can tell yourself there is until the end of time, but there isn't.
 
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