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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Actually I was just waiting for you to blame the liberals for who the Repubs nominate.
I wouldn't presume to speak for mak ...but I think his point was that, as much as you love Keyes ... the American public doesn't.

You didn't offend me at all. Didn't mean for it to come across that way - sorry about that.

The liberal media discounted Keyes - just like they did Scott & West - because he isn't a liberal, and doesn't hang with the liberals. That isn't an accusation of racism (which PS I detest....it seems that everyone is a racist these days....and it's getting tiresome).

I agree 100% with your Bundy assessment. He's not too bright, but then again, he's nothing but a private citizen, so he can be as dumb as he wants.

Welcome to the board, BTW.


That doesn't answer my question to mak, which made no sense with my post he quoted.

It doesn't answer my question to mak, Buck. I have no idea what the nomination thing was about. I never suggested that Keyes was nominated so I have no idea why his electoral history is relevant.

Well, Buck, if that was mak's point, then he wasted in on me. That's a childish point that has no point.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Nope, just waiting for you to say it was the libs fault. It didnt take long.
So I'm supposed to subscribe to groupthink, and not think someone is a good man because others did want him to be President (which PS, still has nothing to do with my post)?

You subscribe to groupthink. I don't.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Actually I was just waiting for you to blame the liberals for who the Repubs nominate.

Of course you were. The difference between us, apparently, is you're like a spider waiting to jump on a fly and hoping to see things that aren't there to score partisan points. I'm not.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Nope, just waiting for you to say it was the libs fault. It didnt take long.

Liars are ugly people. If you want to lie go ahead and do it about someone else. Don't put words in my mouth that I never thought, let alone said.

Your true colors, which have been showing a lot lately, aren't attractive.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

LIke a spider? That is one I have not heard before. But everytime the Repubs doesnt run a black guy it is the libs fault. Just so predicatable.
Of course you were. The difference between us, apparently, is you're like a spider waiting to jump on a fly and hoping to see things that aren't there to score partisan points. I'm not.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

I highlighted your words.

The liberal media discounted Keyes - just like they did Scott & West - because he isn't a liberal, and doesn't hang with the liberals. That isn't an accusation of racism (which PS I detest....it seems that everyone is a racist these days....and it's getting tiresome).


Liars are ugly people. If you want to lie go ahead and do it about someone else. Don't put words in my mouth that I never thought, let alone said.

Your true colors, which have been showing a lot lately, aren't attractive.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

As far as I know I have never tried to pretend I think something I dont. Why would you say that?
Liars are ugly people. If you want to lie go ahead and do it about someone else. Don't put words in my mouth that I never thought, let alone said.

Your true colors, which have been showing a lot lately, aren't attractive.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

As far as I know I have never tried to pretend I think something I dont. Why would you say that?

Because you lied and said I blamed the liberal media for Keyes never becoming the GOP nominee. I said no such thing. Having a discussion with someone else about the liberal media not paying attention to or fawning over a black conservative has nothing to do with how or why the Republicans pick their POTUS candidates. Stop being obtuse if you're going to be dishonest.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

You didn't offend me at all. Didn't mean for it to come across that way - sorry about that.

The liberal media discounted Keyes - just like they did Scott & West - because he isn't a liberal, and doesn't hang with the liberals. That isn't an accusation of racism (which PS I detest....it seems that everyone is a racist these days....and it's getting tiresome).

I agree 100% with your Bundy assessment. He's not too bright, but then again, he's nothing but a private citizen, so he can be as dumb as he wants.

Welcome to the board, BTW.

Thanks, just wanted to be careful because it is such a touchy subject. I think there is something wrong when both sides of the political spectrum are gleefully screaming "racist" at each other over every little comment. All it does is minimize the transgressions of actual racists, and they certainly exist at all levels.

I would argue that Bundy made himself a public figure, however, which means his views are fair game for criticism. And even if he is not trying to disparage another race, his comments are misguided and offensive, and they represent a general strain of thought that I see in many people around me. If nothing else, this public discourse is an opportunity for people to examine their own internalized beliefs against a larger commentary.

And all of this is simply a sideshow distracting us from the real issue of a man inciting armed resistance against the United States government, but I think members here could argue in circles on that one for years.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Donald Sterling???

Alleged. People seem to have him convicted, not that I even like or dislike the man, but so far, nobody has proven it was even his voice making those comments. Should we convict a person because some obscure rag like TMZ makes attempts to drag celebrity names through the mud?

This thread topic has gone the way of a rail siding.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

But it is the person that is responsible for their own future right? I mean that's what you on the right think.

Sure it is, but how can they be blamed for taking the easy way out if it's offered?
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Actually in the number of threads on this, there ARE people that have been defending his actions. They claim since the BLMs reason for the grazing fee is bull****, he has every right to do what he did. May not be a majority of people, but they are there and have posted in the threads for support of his actions.

That's not what I've seen.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Ah, so it is the fault of the government. Not his fault for not paying to use land that he didn't own. Yep, there's that "personal responsibility." A person is responsible for their own actions unless they are conservative - then it's the fault of the government or the liberal media (possibly both).

He was getting something for nothing from the government. When a single mom in a big city does that it's called "welfare." .

It's his fault for not paying the fee. It's not his fault that the BLM responded in a thoroughly aggressive and unnecessary manner.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

You claimed that the media doesn't "go gaga" over black conservatives like Keyes because they dislike black men who "don't know their place," implying a form of racism on the part of the left. I wondered why the left is being accused of this when the alternative explanation is simply that they disagree with his politics. They don't like Keyes for the same reasons they don't like Gingrich or Huckabee. Why does his race even come into it?

"Democratic supporters of Townsend threw Oreo cookies at Michael Steele, the Republican nominee for lieutenant governor. Steele is African-American; to label an African-American an “Oreo” is to say that he, like an Oreo cookie, is black on the outside and white on the inside. It is considered a significant racial slur."

Michael Steele

Why indeed.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Alleged. People seem to have him convicted, not that I even like or dislike the man, but so far, nobody has proven it was even his voice making those comments. Should we convict a person because some obscure rag like TMZ makes attempts to drag celebrity names through the mud?

This thread topic has gone the way of a rail siding.

Only if you take things out of context..... the suggestion was that Cliven racism is somewhat explainable as he is an uneducated man. Someone made an assertion that educated people (would not be racist; not likely be racist; less likely racist.... not certain as to the exact assertion). I was only pointing that educated people can be racist.

Fine to somewhat noble for you to be the last man standing in protecting the reputation of Sterling. I do want to point that the NBA, which likely has more information about the matter than just about anyone else, is much further down that tracks than you. As you stand on the platform waiting for the next train you should ask yourself if protecting Sterling's reputation is out of your nobility; your naivete or you have a habit of defending racists...
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

"Democratic supporters of Townsend threw Oreo cookies at Michael Steele, the Republican nominee for lieutenant governor. Steele is African-American; to label an African-American an “Oreo” is to say that he, like an Oreo cookie, is black on the outside and white on the inside. It is considered a significant racial slur."

Michael Steele

Why indeed.

"It didn't happen here," said Vander Harris, operations manager of the Morgan fine arts center. "I was in on the cleanup, and we found no cookies or anything else abnormal."

"They fell on the floor; two rolled up next to my shoe," Steele said. "I remember turning to someone and saying, `Anyone got a glass of milk?'"

Steele weighs in on the Oreo incident - Baltimore Sun

From your own source: "Steele will tell Segraves that he was never struck by any thrown cookies. “I’ve never claimed that I was hit, no. The one or two that I saw at my feet were there. I just happened to look down and see them,” he will say. By November 15, the Associated Press will report that Ehrlich says “he did not personally see cookies thrown at Steele because he was on stage,” and “said he doesn’t know who might have thrown them.”"

If you want to argue my original assertion, find me an example with some substance to it. I'm sure there are a few out there.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

"Democratic supporters of Townsend threw Oreo cookies at Michael Steele, the Republican nominee for lieutenant governor. Steele is African-American; to label an African-American an “Oreo” is to say that he, like an Oreo cookie, is black on the outside and white on the inside. It is considered a significant racial slur."

Michael Steele

Why indeed.

You should probably read the rest of that link.....
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

"It didn't happen here," said Vander Harris, operations manager of the Morgan fine arts center. "I was in on the cleanup, and we found no cookies or anything else abnormal."

"They fell on the floor; two rolled up next to my shoe," Steele said. "I remember turning to someone and saying, `Anyone got a glass of milk?'"

Steele weighs in on the Oreo incident - Baltimore Sun

From your own source: "Steele will tell Segraves that he was never struck by any thrown cookies. “I’ve never claimed that I was hit, no. The one or two that I saw at my feet were there. I just happened to look down and see them,” he will say. By November 15, the Associated Press will report that Ehrlich says “he did not personally see cookies thrown at Steele because he was on stage,” and “said he doesn’t know who might have thrown them.”"

If you want to argue my original assertion, find me an example with some substance to it. I'm sure there are a few out there.

So, the 'victim' of the incident says it happened, but since the liberal running the hall where they were speaking on a liberal campus, says it didn't so not only do we need corroboration, but the perps as well to admit that they threw them....If it were a black liberal that the cookies were thrown at, during a speech at a conservative campus like oh, say, Liberty University, then all we would need is an allegation....Nice how your world works....

Kind of like Cleaver saying someone spit at him during the march to jam O-care down our throats, when no one out of the thousands of people with cell camera's that were there caught it....:roll:

Keep up the double standards....We don't enough here that do that....;)
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

You should probably read the rest of that link.....

Yes don't believe the black republican whom they were thrown at....Cuz, we all know that he was not telling the truth right?
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

So, the 'victim' of the incident says it happened, but since the liberal running the hall where they were speaking on a liberal campus, says it didn't so not only do we need corroboration, but the perps as well to admit that they threw them....If it were a black liberal that the cookies were thrown at, during a speech at a conservative campus like oh, say, Liberty University, then all we would need is an allegation....Nice how your world works....

Kind of like Cleaver saying someone spit at him during the march to jam O-care down our throats, when no one out of the thousands of people with cell camera's that were there caught it....:roll:

Keep up the double standards....We don't enough here that do that....;)

I don't understand. I quoted Steele himself, twice, saying that no one threw cookies at him. He looked down and saw them. Your own source says as much. Where are you getting other information that trumps Steele's own description of what happened?

And please don't tell me how I would respond to the scenario you proposed. I'll happily admit that both sides exhibit bad behavior. I acknowledge it when it happens, though none of it reflects my own views or actions. But I expect those claims to be backed by verifiable facts, which you have so far not presented.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

I don't understand. I quoted Steele himself, twice, saying that no one threw cookies at him. He looked down and saw them. Your own source says as much. Where are you getting other information that trumps Steele's own description of what happened?

And please don't tell me how I would respond to the scenario you proposed. I'll happily admit that both sides exhibit bad behavior. I acknowledge it when it happens, though none of it reflects my own views or actions. But I expect those claims to be backed by verifiable facts, which you have so far not presented.

Oh, so someone dropped their oreo's on stage left eh? That it?

If you are someone that actually acknowledges bad behavior on your own side, then I will be man enough to applaud that when I see it...I'll keep an eye open for that one...
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Oh, so someone dropped their oreo's on stage left eh? That it?

If you are someone that actually acknowledges bad behavior on your own side, then I will be man enough to applaud that when I see it...I'll keep an eye open for that one...

I attack bigoted behavior wherever I see it. Why should I defend people who do nothing but harm my cause and violate basic ethical principles?

Like I don't particularly care for all of this hoopla over Mr. Bundy's remarks. There are more important issues involved with his story than what he thinks about "the negro," and his opinion, from the extended transcript, is a fairly common conservative one made more offensive by antiquated language and a poor understanding of history. Rubbing all this in conservatives' faces is a pointless waste of time, since it has no bearing on why so many conservatives initially supported Bundy.

As for Steele, for what it's worth, there are too many revisions and conflicting versions to the story for me to make any final judgment. I'll choose to take Steele's word that he was never hit with an Oreo, but he did see two of them on the ground, and that the motives of the Oreo-droppers are unknown. I still don't know how this pertains to Keyes's treatment by the media and the general liberal sphere.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Sure it is, but how can they be blamed for taking the easy way out if it's offered?

Because that's what PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is. If they take the easy way out it is THEM to blame.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Because that's what PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is. If they take the easy way out it is THEM to blame.

Look, welfare has been around since the 60s. Since then, the poverty rate has remained about the same while the number of single parent families has soared. Welfare is a trap that the unwitting, though thoroughly responsible, fall into. Once in, they find that they cannot get out because it simply makes no economic sense to take the kind of job they can get over taking welfare. So, no matter who's fault it is, once on welfare, it is incredibly difficult to get off it. If it didn't exist, they wouldn't be trapped into it.
 
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