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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

He is extremely racist.
Wrong and an extremely idiotic comment to put forth.

And having a black employee doesn't mean you're not racist.
Never said any such thing. Duh!

Yet he isn't a racist.
Even this particular employee knows that.


And yes, what he said was racist.
You are wrong, as it wasn't.

Saying "I wonder..." is merely a rhetorical device used to give the appearance of distance from the racist intent of what he said.
:lamo
Absurdly wrong.

It's like me saying, "I wonder if Excon molests little kids...". It's a very cheap qualifier, but it doesn't hide intent.
Wrong.

Also, the nerve of Bundy accusing "blacks" of government dependence is hysterical since the welfare rancher has been mooching off taxpayers for 20 years.
Your comment is pathetic. Especially as the two are separate issues involving your false claims.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Buck...no normal person even considers uttering the words "until white kids die" to make a point.
I agree it's pretty hard core rhetoric but I don't think he was trying to be subtle.
If he had said; too many black kids have died, and black people understand the situation differently... He would have said pretty much the same thing without the impact.
He was going for impact.
It seems he made one.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Pick cotton? Yeah, that's racist.
No it wasn't. Content and context matter.



Meanwhile, Cliven Bundy mooches off taxpayers, sitting on his porch sucking up government welfare.
iLOL An unresolved dispute does not make one a moocher, especially as he added improvements to the land.
Your comment is ridiculously absurd and apparently just that of extremely irrational thoughts. As all your comments seem to be.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

I agree it's pretty hard core rhetoric but I don't think he was trying to be subtle.
If he had said; too many black kids have died, and black people understand the situation differently... He would have said pretty much the same thing without the impact.
He was going for impact.
It seems he made one.

And you don't think Bundy was going for impact?

What I think (and I don't know...I wasn't there and I'm not a mindreader) is that Bundy's angst towards Uncle Sam is SO deep that he used rhetoric to attempt to slam, full on body slam, Uncle Sam, and because he has neither the experience nor the skill in public speaking, and then you toss in his obvious childish glee at having an audience, it resulted in him uttering a jumble of words that came out wrong. I know you guys disagree with me, and that's fine, but my example is a perfect one of where rhetoric must be used sparingly and appropriately. Dyson is a very well educated man who has a lot of experience as a pundit on MNSBC, and you can bet your ass he regretted saying what he did.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Never said any such thing. Duh!

You're the one who posted the video of Bundy's black bodyguard. So what conclusion are we to draw from that? Let me get this straight, the man that Bundy pays said the guy who pays his salary is not racist? Shocker.

You are wrong, as it wasn't.

yes, it was extremely racist. Saying black people didn't learn how to pick cotton is racist. it's a shame that has to be pointed out to you. I think you're just being obstinate for obstinacy's sake.

Absurdly wrong.

No, that's actually right. Any English 101 student could tell ya that. It's like saying "people say..." when you're the one saying it. Same rhetorical device. If instead of "I wonder..." Bundy said "Some people say..." he'd be doing the same thing. No, people aren't saying it...YOU ARE. Just like you don't really wonder about something like that unless you are of the position accepting it to begin with. But rhetoric isn't something the right really understands that much.

Your comment is pathetic.

What's pathetic is that you're avoiding answering to the fact that Bundy isn't some hero, he's just a run-of-the-mill racist welfare queen.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

No it wasn't. Content and context matter.

Explain to me the context, then. Because I read the quote you posted in full and even in context, it's racist.

An unresolved dispute

It's not unresolved. The US Courts have upheld the BLM. Bundy is a welfare queen and you are a welfare enabler for defending him.

especially as he added improvements to the land.

So what???? If you improve your apartment you still have to pay rent. Moocher!
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

And you don't think Bundy was going for impact?

What I think (and I don't know...I wasn't there and I'm not a mindreader) is that Bundy's angst towards Uncle Sam is SO deep that he used rhetoric to attempt to slam, full on body slam, Uncle Sam, and because he has neither the experience nor the skill in public speaking, and then you toss in his obvious childish glee at having an audience, it resulted in him uttering a jumble of words that came out wrong. I know you guys disagree with me, and that's fine, but my example is a perfect one of where rhetoric must be used sparingly and appropriately. Dyson is a very well educated man who has a lot of experience as a pundit on MNSBC, and you can bet your ass he regretted saying what he did.
He may well have regretted that exact choice of words... but I doubt that Bundy does.
That "let me tell you what I know about the negro " tone seemed far to practiced and comfortable as it came from him.
His later comments where he tried to roll it back were absolutely ineffectual and seemed insincere at changing his perceived intent.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

You're the one who posted the video of Bundy's black bodyguard. So what conclusion are we to draw from that? Let me get this straight, the man that Bundy pays said the guy who pays his salary is not racist? Shocker.
Insinuation is not an argument.

Show the body guard isn't telling the truth.
You can't, because you have nothing to show he is a racist. All you have is false claims.

He was speaking of compassion and you want to claim racism. That is absurd.
These false claims of racism need to stop as they do not help at all.



yes, it was extremely racist. Saying black people didn't learn how to pick cotton is racist. it's a shame that has to be pointed out to you. I think you're just being obstinate for obstinacy's sake.
:doh The above comment is you do understanding what he was saying. Content and context matter.
You are wrong. Any claim of racism is wrong.


No, that's actually right. Any English 101 student could tell ya that. It's like saying "people say..." when you're the one saying it. Same rhetorical device. If instead of "I wonder..." Bundy said "Some people say..." he'd be doing the same thing. No, people aren't saying it...YOU ARE. Just like you don't really wonder about something like that unless you are of the position accepting it to begin with. But rhetoric isn't something the right really understands that much.
More irrational absurdity from you.
Nothing he said was racist.


What's pathetic is that you're avoiding answering to the fact that Bundy isn't some hero, he's just a run-of-the-mill racist welfare queen.
:naughty
No, what is pathetic are your irrational claims coming from your irrational thought.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

What I think (and I don't know...I wasn't there and I'm not a mindreader) is that Bundy's angst towards Uncle Sam is SO deep that he used rhetoric to attempt to slam, full on body slam, Uncle Sam, and because he has neither the experience nor the skill in public speaking, and then you toss in his obvious childish glee at having an audience, it resulted in him uttering a jumble of words that came out wrong. I know you guys disagree with me, and that's fine, but my example is a perfect one of where rhetoric must be used sparingly and appropriately. Dyson is a very well educated man who has a lot of experience as a pundit on MNSBC, and you can bet your ass he regretted saying what he did.

First of all, not sure why Bundy has animosity towards Uncle Sam since Bundy's been mooching off Uncle Sam for 20+ years. Secondly, Bundy said himself that he doesn't regret what he said, nor that it "came out wrong". This is the thing with you Conservatives, it's not that you're not articulating your positions clearly that has people mad, it's that you have those positions in the first place. This is exactly like the "legitimate rape" thing. It's not that he used the words "legitimate rape", it's the psychology of the position as a whole that led him to that statement. This belief that Conservatives can somehow PR their way to victory is the most disrespectful, downright disturbing thing about their party. That somehow there exists a collection of words that make their argument of hate, opposition, defiance, and animosity palatable to the people. It's absurd to think that you can wordsmith your bigotry and hatred. And it's insulting. It's not that what he said came out wrong, it's the idea behind what he said. And what's even more outrageous is that he's a moocher himself!!!!!
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

This is why I think most politicians deserved to be dunked in a vat of hot lard.
Oooooo that seems like some pretty violent rhetoric coming from yourself there...
That action would surely kill them...Someone may take your intent as literal.
Are you sure you don't want to walk that back a little? ;)
 
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

He may well have regretted that exact choice of words... but I doubt that Bundy does.
That "let me tell you what I know about the negro " tone seemed far to practiced and comfortable as it came from him.
His later comments where he tried to roll it back were absolutely ineffectual and seemed insincere at changing his perceived intent.

Bundy won't roll back the comparison of Thomas Jefferson-type slavery to government slavery because he really believes that. In his mind, the government is the most oppressive entity/person that ever existed/lived.

I saw one of those true crime shows once, where a little girl was kidnapped by a sexual monster. After months of not knowing where she was, the mother said "I would rather my daughter be dead than be raped & tortured every day by that sadist." Now, do you think that meant she wanted her daughter dead? Did she hate her daughter? No, in her mind, death (a very bad choice) was preferable to the other horror, another bad choice.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Oooooo that seems like some pretty violent rhetoric coming from yourself there...
Someone may take your intent as literal.
Are you sure you don't want to walk that back a little?;)

Rhetoric. It's all about the context.;)
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Insinuation is not an argument

So then why post that video at all? That's my question. If you think that Bundy paying some guy to say something nice about him isn't complete BS, then I don't know what to say to you.

Show the body guard isn't telling the truth.

The bodyguard is going to defend Bundy because that's his job. So whether or not he thinks Bundy is racist comes with the inconvenient caveat that Bundy pays his salary.

He was speaking of compassion

Ah, so it's compassionate to think that blacks should learn how to pick cotton. I see.

hese false claims of racism need to stop as they do not help at all.

They're not false claims, they are actual racism. Bundy is a racist. That's why Conservatives have started condemning him as racist...because they don't want to be associated with that overt racism. Conservatives prefer their racism a little more subtle.

The above comment is you do understanding what he was saying.

Yes, he is a racist. I understand that. It's loud and clear. The only thing missing from Bundy in that video is a white hood. Maybe a burning cross.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

You're thinking of slaves in the 1800s sense which I already said was much worse than the "slavery" (using the term very loosely) I believe we are in today.

What is that other than a stupid platitude and no explanation for anything.

This is not platitudes.com
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

I don't even know why we're talking about this stuff since Conservatives on the Supreme Court said racism was over. Everything Bundy said can't possibly be racist because racism doesn't exist anymore. Right, Los Angeles Clippers fans?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Full context below.



…” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.

We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.

When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.

And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

You know they didn’t get more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.

Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.

Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.

And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.

Saying blacks have more freedom as slaves than they did being freed from slavery is either incredibly racist or is incredibly ignorant - take your pick.

Also, there are many, many whites, Hispanics, and people of other ethnicities on welfare. So, by singling out African-Americans, that is again, either racist or ignorant - take your pick.
 
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

In his mind, the government is the most oppressive entity/person that ever existed/lived.
I think we can both agree that he is wrong.

I saw one of those true crime shows once, where a little girl was kidnapped by a sexual monster. After months of not knowing where she was, the mother said "I would rather my daughter be dead than be raped & tortured every day by that sadist." Now, do you think that meant she wanted her daughter dead? Did she hate her daughter? No, in her mind, death (a very bad choice) was preferable to the other horror, another bad choice.
Ted Nugent once said "... I will be either dead or in jail if Obama is re-elected..."
At last check, Teddy boy is still alive and enjoying his freedom...
I'll bet he wishes he could take that one back.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Explain to me the context, then. Because I read the quote you posted in full and even in context, it's racist.
No it isn't. Show me where he said his race was better than other races.
He said nothing racist.
Nor was anything he said prejudicial.
He spoke specifically of the deleterious effect the welfare state has had on the negro.
You keep ignoring that to make false claims of racism.

Just as you ignore how he prefaced his comments.


"We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way."

Those are not the comments of a racist.
Especially as I am sure that actual racists wouldn't mind if we go back to those days.
So stop with your absurd claims.


It's not unresolved. The US Courts have upheld the BLM. Bundy is a welfare queen and you are a welfare enabler for defending him.
Stop telling untruths.
It is not resolved as it is still disputed.
And not one Court has called him a welfare queen. So stop these addition irrational thoughts.
And finally, I doubt no, from what I have seen you are not capable of understanding the intricacies involved with the law here to even have a rational debate about it.


So what???? If you improve your apartment you still have to pay rent. Moocher!
Yeah, That is what I thought. You don't have a rational thought in you and are incapable of understand the intricacies involved. All you want to do is pass irrational dispersions upon folks.
Truly a shame.


So then why post that video at all? That's my question. If you think that Bundy paying some guy to say something nice about him isn't complete BS, then I don't know what to say to you.
Oh looky loo.
More irrational false statements by you.

Show he is paying him to say nice things about him.


The bodyguard is going to defend Bundy because that's his job. So whether or not he thinks Bundy is racist comes with the inconvenient caveat that Bundy pays his salary.
Physical defense is different from verbal defense.
And again, show he is lying. You can't.
Insinuating he is, is not a valid or rational argument.


Ah, so it's compassionate to think that blacks should learn how to pick cotton. I see.
More irrationality from you figures.
Are you really that uneducated not to know he is speaking of the work ethic? Which is not taught by being on welfare.
Are you really that much of a racially closed minded bigot to think such?


They're not false claims, they are actual racism. Bundy is a racist. That's why Conservatives have started condemning him as racist...because they don't want to be associated with that overt racism. Conservatives prefer their racism a little more subtle.
Wrong. You are so irrational that now you are trying to paint conservatives as such.
Sorry, your espoused irrational idiocy is just that.


Yes, he is a racist. I understand that. It's loud and clear. The only thing missing from Bundy in that video is a white hood. Maybe a burning cross.
As you are wrong. If you really think that, your thoughts are convoluted and not based in reality.
 
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

I think we can both agree that he is wrong.


Ted Nugent once said "... I will be either dead or in jail if Obama is re-elected..."
At last check, Teddy boy is still alive and enjoying his freedom...
I'll bet he wishes he could take that one back.

I agree that Bundy is wrong when he says government oppression is as bad as slavery. That doesn't make him a racist though.

Maybe Ted Nugent is waiting for George Soros to join the monastery he promised to join if Bush won before he makes any plans to kill himself. At last check, Georgie boy is still running amok.

Rhetoric. It's everywhere.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Saying blacks have more freedom as slaves than they did being freed from slavery is either incredibly racist or is incredibly ignorant - take your pick.

Also, there are many, many whites, Hispanics, and people of other ethnicities on welfare. So, by singling out African-Americans, that is again, either racist or ignorant - take your pick.
Oh look another that has no clue as to what he said.
Oh wait, you are not another. You were already shown to be wrong.
His words were not racist.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Saying blacks have more freedom as slaves than they did being freed from slavery is either incredibly racist or is incredibly ignorant - take your pick.

Also, there are many, many whites, Hispanics, and people of other ethnicities on welfare. So, by singling out African-Americans, that is again, either racist or ignorant - take your pick.

So if his answer is "ignorant", you'll agree with him and say Bundy is ignorant, not a racist?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

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Ted Nugent once said "... I will be either dead or in jail if Obama is re-elected..."
At last check, Teddy boy is still alive and enjoying his freedom...
I'll bet he wishes he could take that one back.

There's still plenty of time, he never said it would be immediate.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

This is so sad.
The guy is clearly concerned for the state of other races, and many want to demonize him for voicing it.

Truly pathetic.
 
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

So if his answer is "ignorant", you'll agree with him and say Bundy is ignorant, not a racist?

I'm saying from the full-transcript of what he said, those are the two conclusions that once can logically come up with.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

I'm saying from the full-transcript of what he said, those are the two conclusions that once can logically come up with.

So if the answer is "ignorant" does that mean he's not racist?
 
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