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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

I would love to see you list all the independents and Democratic candidates you have voted for.

:doh
There is not need to.
Nor is it any of your business exactly who I voted for.
So let me simplify this for you; I have never voted for a republican candidate.
I am an independent.
Capisce?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

And after the people finish their massive meltdown about some rancher who said something that they don't like

The fact that Cliven Bundy is racist despite the Supreme Court saying racism doesn't exist anymore isn't the issue. It's the fact that the guy refuses to recognize the federal government after mooching off it for 20 years. It amazes me that Conservatives limit who is a moocher and who isn't based purely on skin color. Explain to me how Cliven Bundy -who uses government land to feed his cattle without paying for it- isn't a moocher, but some woman who lives in Chicago with three kids on welfare is.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

We know they were fed an edited version of his words.We do not know if they have been exposed to the full unedited version which shows the words were not racist.

Bundy said he stands behind the words and hasn't accused the NYT or anyone of editing them. Also, I'd love to know how what he said couldn't be construed as racism.

Hannity refused to listed to his full reply.

So I'd love to hear the context in which the quote Bundy said is not racist. Trying to think how exactly that could be.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

And Bundy also never said that he wants blacks to be slaves again, did he?

He said "I wonder...." and then went on to make a comparison to government slavery (as he sees it).

This guy said "unless and until whites kids die..." and "until" isn't a poor use of words? Until white kids die? Applying the same logic all of you have to what Bundy meant (because you can all read his mind), I would have to say that this guy is advocating white kids being killed to make a point.

Either words are to be taken literally, or they aren't. It doesn't work both ways, mak, just because one man is black and the other is white. You're smart enough to know that.
To be fair Bundy used the phrase "I wonder" as a rhetorical device to distance his personal opinion from the racist clap trap that was to follow.
The use of "Unless or until" supposes a rhetorical hypothetical of what one knows will never be...
The differences are subtle, but there nevertheless.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

:doh
There is not need to.
Nor is it any of your business exactly who I voted for.
So let me simplify this for you; I have never voted for a republican candidate.
I am an independent.
Capisce?

America is a wonderful place. We actually get to vote in private.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

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Not until, and unless, the number of white kids die that approximate the numbers of black and other kids who die, will America see.

And Bundy also never said that he wants blacks to be slaves again, did he?

He said "I wonder...." and then went on to make a comparison to government slavery (as he sees it).

This guy said "unless and until whites kids die..." and "until" isn't a poor use of words? Until white kids die? Applying the same logic all of you have to what Bundy meant (because you can all read his mind), I would have to say that this guy is advocating white kids being killed to make a point.

Either words are to be taken literally, or they aren't. It doesn't work both ways, mak, just because one man is black and the other is white. You're smart enough to know that.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Not really hard to understand.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

To be fair Bundy used the phrase "I wonder" as a rhetorical device to distance his personal opinion from the racist clap trap that was to follow.
The use of "Unless or until" supposes a rhetorical hypothetical of what one knows will never be...
The differences are subtle, but there nevertheless.

Buck...no normal person even considers uttering the words "until white kids die" to make a point.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.

vs


Not until, and unless, the number of white kids die that approximate the numbers of black and other kids who die, will America see.

Not until the number of white kids die....

vs.

I wonder if blacks were better off....
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The fact that Cliven Bundy is racist
Too bad you, as the fact is that you are wrong. Nothing he said was racist. Nor is he a racist. To claim such is ridiculous.

Content and context matter.

Listen to his full unedited words. Content and context matter. They were not racist.
I see you are not paying attention to the full content and context of his statements.
Or that of his body guard.





 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Keep cutting out words, then maybe add a few.
Not until the number of white kids die....

vs.

I wonder if blacks were better off....
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Here's one of my favorites. Michael Eric Dyson "More White Kids Need To Die For America To Understand Racism". College degree, plus an MBA and a PhD from Princeton.


What's really funny about what you did here is the fact that you did precisely what you're accusing the NYT of doing; taking comments out of context. Unfortunately, it's not the first time Conservatives have done such a thing and it won't be the last. But what's really hilarious about it is that if you play the full clip in context, Dyson says exactly the opposite of what you're claiming he's saying.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

“White Americans and others will feel that this was a justifiable verdict, this is how things happen. Not until, and unless, the number of white kids die that approximate the numbers of black and other kids who die, will America see.”

His exact words.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

And they have to add a word to make him say that. Any more examples?
What's really funny about what you did here is the fact that you did precisely what you're accusing the NYT of doing; taking comments out of context. Unfortunately, it's not the first time Conservatives have done such a thing and it won't be the last. But what's really hilarious about it is that if you play the full clip in context, Dyson says exactly the opposite of what you're claiming he's saying.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Keep cutting out words, then maybe add a few.

Well, I thought you were better than this but I see where I was wrong. Bundy's (aka the white man's) words have no context other than racist, but a black man's do have context. Got it.

Sad.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

“I want to tell you one more thing I know about the Negro,” he said. Mr. Bundy recalled driving past a public-housing project in North Las Vegas, “and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids — and there is always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch — they didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for their kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for their young girls to do.
Full context below.



…” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.

We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.

When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.

And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

You know they didn’t get more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.

Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.

Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.

And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Too bad you, as the fact is that you are wrong. Nothing he said was racist. Nor is he a racist.

He is extremely racist. And having a black employee doesn't mean you're not racist. And yes, what he said was racist. Saying "I wonder..." is merely a rhetorical device used to give the appearance of distance from the racist intent of what he said. It's like me saying, "I wonder if Excon molests little kids...". It's a very cheap qualifier, but it doesn't hide intent.

Also, the nerve of Bundy accusing "blacks" of government dependence is hysterical since the welfare rancher has been mooching off taxpayers for 20 years.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

You could be right, but I don't honestly think the GOP loses too many votes because someone aligns his/herself with a "racist", personally.

Most right wingers who supported Bundy's cause in the first place won't vote for Nancy Pelosi because of his rambling words.
Maybe Pelosi wouldn't benefit from the perception, but there are lots of close, moderate on both sides races, that could easily be swayed by one party appearing to favor a racist agenda...
We could never know for sure, but Priebus seems pretty sure he doesn't want to find out
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

He did not say more white kids must die, he just didn't. You made that up to make him say what you want. He indeed says the opposite.
Well, I thought you were better than this but I see where I was wrong. Bundy's (aka the white man's) words have no context other than racist, but a black man's do have context. Got it.

Sad.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

And they have to add a word to make him say that. Any more examples?

I wouldn't waste my time now, mak. You'll just go with the other guys who hate Bundy because he's white, apparently.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Full context below.



…” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.

We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.

When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.

And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

You know they didn’t get more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.

Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.

Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.

And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.

Don't even bother. They see what they want. Only black men are allowed to make hair raising comments and be given a pass.

What an eye opener this has been for me. Ugh.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton.

Pick cotton? Yeah, that's racist.

Meanwhile, Cliven Bundy mooches off taxpayers, sitting on his porch sucking up government welfare.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

:doh
There is not need to.
Nor is it any of your business exactly who I voted for.
So let me simplify this for you; I have never voted for a republican candidate.
I am an independent.
Capisce?
Riiiiiiiight...
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Maybe Pelosi wouldn't benefit from the perception, but there are lots of close, moderate on both sides races, that could easily be swayed by one party appearing to favor a racist agenda...
We could never know for sure, but Priebus seems pretty sure he doesn't want to find out

Maybe. Bundy shouldn't have been a political pawn to begin with, but let's be honest - both sides made him a political pawn.

This is why I think most politicians deserved to be dunked in a vat of hot lard.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Come on, one more example. You can add as many words as you want this time. :)
I wouldn't waste my time now, mak. You'll just go with the other guys who hate Bundy because he's white, apparently.
 
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