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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

beefheart said:
Yes, it was easy, and several posters did it.

BLM employs law enforcement agents, who are armed and trained.
You may choose to reject that, or accept it.
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I haven't seen a single link. Thus, nothing has been proven.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

apdst said:
I haven't seen a single link. Thus, nothing has been proven.
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Law Enforcement

The BLM fields a force of approximately 200 Law Enforcement Rangers (uniformed officers) and 70 Special Agents (criminal investigators) who enforce a wide range of laws and regulations in the prevention, detection, and investigation of crimes affecting public lands resources. These crimes include mineral resource theft; wilderness area violations; hazardous materials dumping; archaeological and paleontological resource theft and vandalism; cultivation, manufacture, smuggling, and use of illegal drugs; timber, forest product, and native plant theft; off-highway vehicle use; alcohol related crimes; and wildland arson.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

apdst said:
I haven't seen a single link. Thus, nothing has been proven.
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They have a phone number, give them a call.

Otherwise, it looks like you are just in denial about it.

Want to find out for sure? Do the legwork.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

ecofarm said:
It's not a strawman, it's a premise that you have failed to grasp. I suppose it being unstated requests a bit much brain juice for some, but I've seen it before and at least one poster here has admitted to it.

The fundamental agreement to be made is that blacks are slaves today. The acceptance of that premise is the only thing the presenter of this opinion is really worried about (if they're conscious of what they're doing). Once that is accepted, the founding narrative is open and we must explore why blacks, despite all efforts at equal rights and justice, are still slaves today.
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We're all slaves today, Eco. It's not limited to one race, gender, or sexuality. Are blacks in a situation that could be construed as slavery? Yeah, sure. But then again, they are not alone. I don't agree with everything Bundy said, specifically when he said that they were better off as plantation slaves, but he did bring up alot of points that I feel should be considered. We are being taxed for half our income, our young men are being sent off to fight in meaningless wars, we have a criminal justice system designed to make everyone, even those who engage in victimless acts, criminals and capture non-violent criminals in order to fuel the prison industrial complex, and we have a media that justifies all of it. His point, which I feel was lost in assumptions and lack of knowledge regarding 1800s plantation slavery, was that an overwhelming amount of black Americans (and white for that matter) are in trouble. There are legitimate issues in our country, and they aren't really being brought up. That was his point, and it was lost under historic illiteracy and a tasteless use of the word "negro."
 
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

beefheart said:
They have a phone number, give them a call.

Otherwise, it looks like you are just in denial about it.

Want to find out for sure? Do the legwork.
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It's your job to prove your argument correct, my friend.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

apdst said:
It's your job to prove your argument correct, my friend.
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I already did, you don't accept that a LEO has the responsibility to utilize deadly force when warranted. Not my job to prove it to you further, you are the one playing the semantic game. I know they do, and I accept it, you don't accept it, so,it is up to you to prove your assertion.

Don't play obtuse.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

reconmark said:
Tell you what, show us something that they said that was racist and we'll presume that you aren't an ignorant race baiter.
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upsideguy said:
Racism is like bad breath.... the evidence is clear and abundant (and disgusting) to everyone but the carrier..
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Oh! You claiming I am a racist?
Seems the NYT got a gaggle of useful idiots to carry water on behalf of statements they took out of context.

I wonder... did you vote for Obama... a man who was mentored by an anti-American racist for 20-years. I'd bet yes.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

TeleKat said:
We're all slaves today, Eco.
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If I were a slave, I presume I'd do a lot more work. Whomever owns me is seriously negligent.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

apdst said:
It's your job to prove your argument correct, my friend.
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Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

reconmark said:
No need to read an entire quote, that's about as stupid as saying, "I love my nigras in the field, God made them stupid enough to be happy to pick cotton for me all their days."

Now, idiots like you would say, " Gee golly wittikers, he di'ent say nuthin racist. He said he "love his nigras." and then use that little snippet to justify the totally racist statement in and of itself.

Naw son, try that "context" b.s. with somebody in your intellectual sphere, it won't work up here at my level.
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I think you should go back and read the quote in full. You're making a fool of yourself, though in democratic underground you're probably a hero.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

zimmer said:
Oh! You claiming I am a racist?
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At this point in the conversation it is up to you to prove that you aren't.
zimmer said:
Seems the NYT got a gaggle of useful idiots to carry water on behalf of statements they took out of context.
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Bundy's unsolicited racist comments can be read and heard unedited almost everywhere. Do you really think Hanity, Heller, Paul, Priebus and Steele didn't take the time to see the unedited version when they declared his comments as racist?
The conclusions reached by republicons and Democrats alike are that he is undoubtedly a racist.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

ecofarm said:
If I were a slave, I presume I'd do a lot more work. Whomever owns me is seriously negligent.
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You're thinking of slaves in the 1800s sense which I already said was much worse than the "slavery" (using the term very loosely) I believe we are in today. Which, of course, you conveniently left out of your quote when you were trying to make me look crazy.

slave
slāv/
nounhistorical
plural noun: slaves
1.
a person who is the legal property of another and is forced to obey them.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

AJiveMan said:
See the part I put in bold red;

This guy has a lot to talk about doesn't he? About government subsidies. I wonder how many times he's used government subsidies which are available to cattle ranchers? Isn't receiving cheap grazing from the government a subsidy in itself? Lord knows it's cheaper than buying feed for the 1000 head he owns.
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I am not arguing the ranching issue where he improved the land.

So your opinion about that means jack.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
I am not arguing the ranching issue where he improved the land.

So your opinion about that means jack.
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And your opinion and argument are mute. The issue at hand is whether or not Bundy has racist tendencies, by his mannerisms and hate speech, I would say yes. But, what can be expected of someone who never attained even an 8th. grade education and never left the melon field?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

AJiveMan said:
And your opinion and argument are mute. The issue at hand is whether or not Bundy has racist tendencies, by his mannerisms and hate speech, I would say yes. But, what can be expected of someone who never attained even an 8th. grade education and never left the melon field?
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:lamo No, it is your opinion that is moot as well meaningless, as he has no racist tendencies or mannerism that you can point to, especially as content and context matter.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
:lamo No, it is your opinion that is moot as well meaningless, as he has no racist tendencies or mannerism that you can point to, especially as content and context matter.
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Sure he does, every time he opens his mouth. If he had more of an education, well, he wouldn't have said the things he did. Lord knows he doesn't have a brain to use. He's just an ignorant hick.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

AJiveMan said:
And your opinion and argument are mute. The issue at hand is whether or not Bundy has racist tendencies, by his mannerisms and hate speech, I would say yes. But, what can be expected of someone who never attained even an 8th. grade education and never left the melon field?
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Where did you read that Bundy never made it past 7th grade?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

AJiveMan said:
Sure he does, every time he opens his mouth.
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And it can be seen that you are wrong and totally ignorant on the subject.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

tres borrachos said:
Where did you read that Bundy never made it past 7th grade?
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Didn't read it anywhere, but it's obvious that he is not an educated person, educated people don't usually make openly racial disparaging comments like he did.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
And it can be seen that you are wrong and totally ignorant on the subject.
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Look in mirror. You'll see who really is.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

AJiveMan said:
Didn't read it anywhere, but it's obvious that he is not an educated person, educated people don't usually make openly racial disparaging comments like he did.
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Um.....wut? It happens all the time.

I never heard anywhere that he isn't educated beyond 7th grade.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

tres borrachos said:
Um.....wut? It happens all the time.

I never heard anywhere that he isn't educated beyond 7th grade.
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What?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

AJiveMan said:
Look in mirror.
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I have no need to, as I know what I said specifically applies to you, and not me.
 
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