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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

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Maybe not, but Sean Hannity was originally calling him a patriot, until Bundy made his racist remarks. Now he is backing off on his support of Bundy, and rightfully so. But there is more to it than that. Hannity supported Bundy, as Bundy stated that he did not recognize the government of the United States of America. To me, that was wrong on so many levels. And it was FOX News' hype of Bundy that brought all the whackjobs to Bundy's ranch for that standoff.

Hannity is an idiot,I'm surprised the man has lasted as long as he has.
 
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Hannity is an idiot,I'm surprised the man has lasted as long as he has.
he's entertaining?
 
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he's entertaining?

If clicking your remote to a different channel upon seeing his show is entertaining,then yes I suppose he's entertaining lol
 
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If clicking your remote to a different channel upon seeing his show is entertaining,then yes I suppose he's entertaining lol
Not for YOU maybe.

But obviously SOME people find him entertaining, or he wouldn't have a show.
 
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How did he get on this topic? I didn't get the before and after. Not that it matters but I'd like to know why he went there.
 
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I've been here a lot longer than you and I intend to keep it that way.
Did you imagine this declaration has any relevance to anything at all? You'll probably need to drop the petty personal insults and stop violating forum rules in order to achieve this lofty goal of yours though. Good luck with that. :peace
 
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Yet now you come back saying Mr. Bundy is an idiot (Note: an idiot with a gun that was secretly planning to use women as a point of shields and sympathy; and, wanting every federal agent in the area to immediately hand over their guns to him. ) while earlier stating that it could have been handled another way peacefully? Excuse me. :funny:yt
Well that was in reply to your rather fantastical rumination that perhaps this idiot Bundy was now a financial mastermind that was likely hiding his fortune from the government in "secret" bank accounts. I'd stake the chances that Mr. Bundy has a million dollars rat holed away in ultra secret concealed accounts government auditors can't find at about zero point zero percent. I'm sure you will disagree but honestly who cares? It is that absurd an idea, but good on you for dreaming it up. I enjoy a little fantasy and fictional word play as much as the next person.
 
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You need to find another outlet for whatever it is that makes you act like this. Trust me I know about using debatepolitics as an outlet, I did it for months while I was deployed and after I got back it was anger, anger, anger. So whatever you got going on that makes you so pissed off and has you trying to pick a fight with folks, take my advice and take it somewhere else.

So no I'm not "itching to pull the trigger" I've experienced war and I'd rather not do so again, however I don't believe that armed militia groups should have free reign and enough firepower to drive off the police when they come to enforce the law. If it has to come to violence to restore law and order, I just hope none of the law enforcement are killed in routing these guys.
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All of that is wonderful...except of course...you were downright frothy at the prospect of some good old fashioned killing of those American citizens and setting law and order back to rights. You can do your best to try to make it be about someone else (hey...claim it was George Bush that made you do....that will fly with at least a few folks here). Not happening. YOUR words...no one elses.
 
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His use of "negro" bothers you? That is racist?
Nope. .

Guess what; it generally is..... and, in the context so delivered, it definitely was.

The comments he made we respect and compassion for people and their work ethic, the family closeness, and disgust for a government that has provided assistance that has turned into enslavement. It's pretty damn clear.

There is so much ignorance in his statement that if you fail to see it.... well......

Sorry, his comments were among the most racist comments delivered publicly in years... well, at least until Saturday.
 
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Now you're violating the rules.
Actually I'm laughing at the directions you keep trying to take all of this. I guess it is better than demanding posters at this forum (whom you are going to ignore anyway) educate you about commonly known facts. Which have been getting a large amount of coverage and print for the last few weeks. :roll:
 
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Actually I'm laughing at the directions you keep trying to take all of this. I guess it is better than demanding posters at this forum (whom you are going to ignore anyway) educate you about commonly known facts. Which have been getting a large amount of coverage and print for the last few weeks. :roll:

You haven't a clue what you're talking about. This thread is about Bundy, not me. I suggest you keep that in mind for future use since you seem to spend more time insulting and harassing other posters than you do addressing the topic. Just sayin.


Now back to Bundy.....I must say, that I agree with his observations about Mexicans...er uh Hispanics. Furthermore, I'll bet he's pro-immigration.
 
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Hannity is an idiot,I'm surprised the man has lasted as long as he has.


I used to hate Hannity, after I saw him post a video of one of Saddam's henchmen beating a guy to death. I thought it was tasteless, no class crap to make a political point. And I still don't like his style, though he's referred to many as a very nice guy off screen.

It's often difficult to separate the person from the pundit, but we don't seem to be able get our biased blinders off anymore.
 
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You haven't a clue what your talking about. This thread is about Bundy, not me. I suggest you keep that in mind for future use since you seem to spend more time insulting and harassing other posters than you do addressing the topic. Just sayin.
Still laughing at the direction you keep trying to take all of this. As well as how you thought better of your last post and deleted it. But then jumped back into what you had thought better of and deleted. So now you have replied since you saw I'd already quoted it. :doh Now what? Commenting upon your ironic demand that other posters educate you (so you can ignore it) is supposed to equate me insulting and harassing you? :screwy
 
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Still laughing at the direction you keep trying to take all of this. As well as how you thought better of your last post and deleted it. But then jumped back into what you had thought better of and deleted. So now you have replied since you saw I'd already quoted it. :doh Now what? Commenting upon your ironic demand that other posters educate you (so you can ignore it) is supposed to equate me insulting and harassing you? :screwy

I don't know what you're doing but I'm trying to get us back on topic. Yes, I like to edit my posts and take full advantage of the edit button so don't be so anxious to respond or you will miss a lot. See my previous post above. It's not a secret...anyone can see who edits their posts because it says so at the bottom of their post. So you're not telling anything new or that people can't see for themselves.


Now lets get back to talking about Bundy, shall we?
 
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So which is it? The BLM initially showed up with only a handful of people or with a armed group of people because they were forewarned? Both can't be the case. Given that info before hand, the option to handle the situation differently could have been exercised. Particularly if they knew ahead of time there would be trouble. The public is still sensitive to anything looking like Ruby Ridge and Waco and this show of force played right into it. And backfired on them.

In the end, they will get what they are owed and by methods they should have just utilized in the first place.
Read the timeline of events in this link.

Everything you need to know about the long fight between Cliven Bundy and the federal government
 
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It's open range and other ranchers who do have permits use that land as well.

Not the land that's off limits to grazing. The BLM closed the land Bundy had his cattle grazing on. Like I said, barbed wire fence to keep cattle off of it.
 
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I'm not a fan of the idea of putting up barbed wire anywhere.

Ranchers and the Forest Service use it everywhere they don't want cattle to be. I saw plenty of it used in NewMexico.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments,

What the hell is he talking about? We had a better family life as slaves !!!!! Most of our family members were separated and sold to other plantations. And you guys on the right support this clown !!!
I may agree with his comment about black families then & now, but Bundy is an idiot on the topic he's famous for. He doesn't own the land he's been using and should pay.
 
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I may agree with his comment about black families then & now, but Bundy is an idiot on the topic he's famous for. He doesn't own the land he's been using and should pay.

Obviously there is a deep, endemic problem in black America today with out-of-wedlock births, absentee fathers and disproportionate crime rates and welfare dependency. Nobody with a shred of intellectual honesty would dispute that. And I'm not pretending to have a cure-all for it, mostly because there isn't one. As with many of our ingrained problems, it will take a long time to solve and quite frankly, I'm not sure there's anyone out there with the ability or willingness to do it.

That said, his claim that blacks, as a whole, are "less free" than when they were wholly owned chattel is utterly ridiculous on an almost metaphysical level.
 
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Not the land that's off limits to grazing. The BLM closed the land Bundy had his cattle grazing on. Like I said, barbed wire fence to keep cattle off of it.

Was it off limits to grazing or off limits for the round up?

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I don't know what you're doing but I'm trying to get us back on topic. I like to edit my posts during the allotted time so if you are too anxious to respond, you will miss a lot. See above. It's not a secret...anyone can see who edits their posts because it says so at the bottom of the post. So you're telling anyone anything new or they can't see for themselves.
What I am talking about is the topic, which I addressed with you way back in #504 and you ignored that. Then in #507 I pointed out that VanceMack (or any other poster for that matter) really does not have to prove to you that there are other ways BLM could have handled this situation. It is just a fact that you were ignorant of. You were told this by several posters as well and the information has been covered extensively in the press. I dared ask why are you were unaware and unable to follow any of it at all? Or did it just have to be how VanceMack would himself have handled it?

My question remains Why? What does that matter in any way whatsoever? Because you have personal thing going with VanceMack? Apparently the answer is you have decided that asking such obvious questions is somehow trying to insult you, harass you, violate the rules of the forum. It's not addressing the topic and whatever else I guess you can gin up. So in that vein, yeah I know that we can see who edits posts. I was referring to your decision to delete your post about me supposedly violating the rules (again) but then my reply to it had already been posted. I was talking about your deletion of a whole post, not your editing existing ones. Which is perfectly obvious too, good try but sloppy and clumsy as all hell.

This has been about Bundy and how the BLM chose to operate in his case all along. Even while you tried to gin this all into me harassing you, insulting you and breaking the rules/trying to act like a moderator and other not so clever diversions. So I'm glad to see you are finally ready to get back on topic!
 
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There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the word "negro"
It is the phrasing of the sentence that is racist.
Bundy takes it upon himself to tell us about THE negro as though there is no difference between any people who have dark skin...
He could have said THE black man and been every bit as racist.
You don't even see the racism in talking about an entire race with one description do you ?
You are so accustomed to expressing racism with this kind of racist language that you can not see anything wrong with it...
You fixate on the word negro while missing the entire racist thrust of the sentence.
WOW!
You miss the entire point of him associating government to a new form of enslavement.

I understand... you dug your hole, and when facts illustrate clearly his concern, respect and compassion, instead of saying... WTF were they thinking at the NYT with this false reporting... you decide to double down and dig deeper. Do you work alongside the vile dimwits at the NYT? Might explain something.
 
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