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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Buck Ewer said:
There is nothing intrinsically wrong with the word "negro"
It is the phrasing of the sentence that is racist.
Bundy takes it upon himself to tell us about THE negro as though there is no difference between any people who have dark skin...
He could have said THE black man and been every bit as racist.
You don't even see the racism in talking about an entire race with one description do you ?
You are so accustomed to expressing racism with this kind of racist language that you can not see anything wrong with it...
You fixate on the word negro while missing the entire racist thrust of the sentence.
WOW!
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There is no racism in what he said. You are imagining it.
Seeing what you want to see.
Yet it isn't there.
 
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Wiseone said:
I would say something about it.

I've noticed that the weakest debaters on this forum always insist on making their opponents arguments for them, I think its because they know their own position couldn't stand to real scrutiny.

But yes I think that the police shouldn't allowed armed militia groups to operate in this history, groups who deny the existence of the government, seek to overthrow it, will use terrorism and tactics such as human shields. This is beyond simple law enforcement, beyond unpaid fees, its about whether or not an insurgent groups is going to be allowed to operate in this country or not.
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Of course. And yet...you and others like you pee yourself talking about how its the 'other guys' that want Waco2. But hey...at least you are honest about it.

Who knows...maybe they could call the RA in and you could lead a group that got to squeeze off a few rounds and kill of a few of them yourself. Dare to dream.

Thats just a whole bucket of AWESOME...we have us a liberal REMFin' BADASS salivating at the prospect of killing himself some American militiamen.

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Excon said:
There is no racism in what he said. You are imagining it.
Seeing what you want to see.
Yet it isn't there.
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Proceed Excon ...proceed...
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Buck Ewer said:
Proceed Excon ...proceed...
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I am, you were wrong so I corrected you. And will continue to correct your delusional statements of racism.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Excon said:
I am, you were wrong so I corrected you. And will continue to correct your racist statements.
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His statements were either supremely uninformed (and thus unknowingly racist in nature)...or intentionally racist.

Either way they were definitely laden with terms a racist would gladly throw around.
 
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AJiveMan said:
NO. The BLM is an enforcement agency, and has nothing to do with applying liens to property, that is the duty of the federal court system.
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Um, Federal courts can't place liens.
 
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The Mark said:
His statements were either supremely uninformed (and thus unknowingly racist in nature)...or intentionally racist.

Either way they were definitely laden with terms a racist would gladly throw around.
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Then you are fooling yourself.
Content and context matter. They were not racist.

Excon said:
Listen to his full unedited words. Content and context matter. They were not racist.


Excon said:
I see you are not paying attention to the full content and context of his statements.
Or that of his body guard.




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These are not the words of a racist.

We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.​


Content and context matter. His words were not racist.
 
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Filthy McNasty said:
I like that, now this idiot is a financial mastermind who has cleverly hidden his fortune in secret bank accounts the government can't track down! Which is weird because it looks like you are aware (we all are) of his actual financial situation, which makes your joke that much more funny!:lamo
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Yet now you come back saying Mr. Bundy is an idiot (Note: an idiot with a gun that was secretly planning to use women as a point of shields and sympathy; and, wanting every federal agent in the area to immediately hand over their guns to him. ) while earlier stating that it could have been handled another way peacefully? Excuse me. :funny:yt
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

zimmer said:
You fail to understand the point... but with your 3 minutes here that isn't surprising.

Bundy was pointing out government intervention has resulted in another form of enslavement... he did say something about not wanting to go back... did he not? He did show praise and respect for Mexicans... did he not?

I don't know, but I think it might be time to start a Biggus Thickus list and create an annual award for those who simply fail to or choose not to see the obvious as they are blinded by ideology or are too intellectually dishonest to admit they were wrong.
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No, it's you who fail to understand or is it the Conservative mindset that some display, to spit at common sense. Again, who can anyone rationalize the belief that some people should live as human chattel?....don't you try to answer, you have failed too many times already. Give somebody more suitable a chance to make sense out of nonsense.

Let me give an equally stupid example like the rationale couch potato patriots attempt to use.


You know I really admire the knee-grows, the have gotten the right to vote and they have more jobs. They even own houses and have businesses. Those people have really gotten themselves together.

However I still think that they would be happier if I could put them all out at daybreak and have them pick my cotton. Theys family would stay together because theys could all work in the same field and theys chidrins would not have to go to skool and get learning, theys mammys and pappys could teach 'em how to be good cotton pickers.

Naw, nothing racist about that at all...
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

reconmark said:
No, it's you who fail to understand or is it the Conservative mindset that some display, to spit at common sense. Again, who can anyone rationalize the belief that some people should live as human chattel?....don't you try to answer, you have failed too many times already. Give somebody more suitable a chance to make sense out of nonsense.

Let me give an equally stupid example like the rationale couch potato patriots attempt to use.


You know I really admire the knee-grows, the have gotten the right to vote and they have more jobs. They even own houses and have businesses. Those people have really gotten themselves together.

However I still think that they would be happier if I could put them all out at daybreak and have them pick my cotton. Theys family would stay together because theys could all work in the same field and theys chidrins would not have to go to skool and get learning, theys mammys and pappys could teach 'em how to be good cotton pickers.

Naw, nothing racist about that at all...
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Content and context matter. They were not racist.

Excon said:
Listen to his full unedited words. Content and context matter. They were not racist.


Excon said:
I see you are not paying attention to the full content and context of his statements.
Or that of his body guard.




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These are not the words of a racist.

We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.​


Content and context matter. His words were not racist.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
Content and context matter. They were not racist.







These are not the words of a racist.

We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.​


Content and context matter. His words were not racist.
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Funny, aren't you missing something??...oh yeah. "The Negro would be better served as slaves picking cotton"...lol.
Right, nothing racist there..lol!!!
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

VanceMack said:
Of course. And yet...you and others like you pee yourself talking about how its the 'other guys' that want Waco2. But hey...at least you are honest about it.

Who knows...maybe they could call the RA in and you could lead a group that got to squeeze off a few rounds and kill of a few of them yourself. Dare to dream.

Thats just a whole bucket of AWESOME...we have us a liberal REMFin' BADASS salivating at the prospect of killing himself some American militiamen.

:lamo
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I don't take joy in the suffering of others
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Excon said:
Then you are fooling yourself.
Content and context matter. They were not racist.

These are not the words of a racist.

We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.​


Content and context matter. His words were not racist.
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I read a transcript of that first video, after listening to the same audio.

I still think the remarks were at the least unknowingly racist. Intentionally I'm not so sure about.

He assumes things about how black people live (and to a lesser extent, "Mexicans"). Due to those assumptions, he makes racist remarks that I suspect he doesn't even realize are racist.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

reconmark said:
Funny, aren't you missing something??...oh yeah. "The Negro would be better served as slaves picking cotton"...lol.
Right, nothing racist there..lol!!!
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That is out of context.

In context that line is nowhere near as racist. Stupid, yes. Uninformed, definitely.

But racist? Not so much.
 
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The Mark said:
That is out of context.

In context that line is nowhere near as racist. Stupid, yes. Uninformed, definitely.

But racist? Not so much.
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Stop...just stop!!!!!
 
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reconmark said:
Stop...just stop!!!!!
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Why?

I read/listened to Bundy's remarks, and that was my take on it. Explain how I'm wrong, if you want, but don't just tell me to shut up.
 
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The Mark said:
Why?

I read/listened to Bundy's remarks, and that was my take on it. Explain how I'm wrong, if you want, but don't just tell me to shut up.
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Fine, regardless of how this idiot prefaced his statement about "the negro", as soon as the sentiment that they would be better off as slaves picking cotton came out, it became racist.
 
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Wiseone said:
I don't take joy in the suffering of others
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Nah...just the killing of some American militiamen. Errr...do you mean of OTHERS killing those militiamen? You WERE itching to pull the trigger yourself, right?
 
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VanceMack said:
Nah...just the killing of some American militiamen. Errr...do you mean of OTHERS killing those militiamen? You WERE itching to pull the trigger yourself, right?
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You need to find another outlet for whatever it is that makes you act like this. Trust me I know about using debatepolitics as an outlet, I did it for months while I was deployed and after I got back it was anger, anger, anger. So whatever you got going on that makes you so pissed off and has you trying to pick a fight with folks, take my advice and take it somewhere else.

So no I'm not "itching to pull the trigger" I've experienced war and I'd rather not do so again, however I don't believe that armed militia groups should have free reign and enough firepower to drive off the police when they come to enforce the law. If it has to come to violence to restore law and order, I just hope none of the law enforcement are killed in routing these guys.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

reconmark said:
Fine, regardless of how this idiot prefaced his statement about "the negro", as soon as the sentiment that they would be better off as slaves picking cotton came out, it became racist.
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But he never made that statement.
He said" "I've often wondered if they would be better off..." basically he's thinking aloud here.
Which as I read it, is quite different from an outright declaration of "they would be better off".

Hilariously out of touch and uninformed, though, if he seriously gave that thought much consideration...which apparently he did, if he's repeating it for a reporter.

Edit: to clarify, I think bundy is racist...but unknowingly so...because he's uninformed/stupid.
 
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Wiseone said:
You need to find another outlet for whatever it is that makes you act like this. Trust me I know about using debatepolitics as an outlet, I did it for months while I was deployed and after I got back it was anger, anger, anger. So whatever you got going on that makes you so pissed off and has you trying to pick a fight with folks, take my advice and take it somewhere else.

So no I'm not "itching to pull the trigger" I've experienced war and I'd rather not do so again, however I don't believe that armed militia groups should have free reign and enough firepower to drive off the police when they come to enforce the law. If it has to come to violence to restore law and order, I just hope none of the law enforcement are killed in routing these guys.
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The bigger worry for big government Liberals is that the law enforcement guys care enough about "the cause" to risk their lives for it. Over and over and over. All just for Dear Leader Obama. I doubt it.
 
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Ray410 said:
The bigger worry for big government Liberals is that the law enforcement guys care enough about "the cause" to risk their lives for it. Over and over and over. All just for Dear Leader Obama. I doubt it.
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When the "cause " is justice and law enforcement you can be sure that LEOs are ready to do what must be done and give what must be given must be see their job through.
They took an oath to it.
 
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The Mark said:
Edit: to clarify, I think bundy is racist...but unknowingly so...because he's uninformed/stupid.
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That's my take on Bundy as well. I've known racists, I don't think Bundy knowingly is a racist, but he is an idiot.
 
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beefheart said:
Ironic that you are doing every thing you can to twist away from the fact that the militia guys out there were willing to sacrifice their women and children as shields. Is there anything more craven and cowardly than that?
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All I did was point out the similarities between what is happening in Nevada and the Occupy Movement......Had they actually carried it out it would have been a very cowardly act indeed.

Repugnant, low IQ hillbillies with guns, defending a deadbeat welfare queen that (surprise!) is an old school racist.

And yet, the ultra right still sees them as heroes. Amazing.
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Amazingly,I have not seen anyone from the right praise Bundy as a hero on this site!
 
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Strucky said:
All I did was point out the similarities between what is happening in Nevada and the Occupy Movement......Had they actually carried it out it would have been a very cowardly act indeed.



Amazingly,I have not seen anyone from the right praise Bundy as a hero on this site!
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Maybe not, but Sean Hannity was originally calling him a patriot, until Bundy made his racist remarks. Now he is backing off on his support of Bundy, and rightfully so. But there is more to it than that. Hannity supported Bundy, as Bundy stated that he did not recognize the government of the United States of America. To me, that was wrong on so many levels. And it was FOX News' hype of Bundy that brought all the whackjobs to Bundy's ranch for that standoff in the first place. In that respect, FOX News' coverage was reckless and a form of yellow journalism not seen in a very long time.
 
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