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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

He just said he did.

In the post you responded to.

Just now.

Right there.

No, you missed it, it was just then.
'He' apparently missed that someone else offered the hypothetical argument. And apparently, you did to. Just then. There. No...RIGHT THERE.

You DO get that I wasnt the one that OFFERED the hypothetical in the first place...right? Funny how you both missed that part.
 
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Again, I've read the ENTIRE interview, even in context its racist. I haven't read one news story covering this that didn't acknowledge the racism of the remark. Not only the times.

The guy shows respect and compassion for both Mexicans and blacks... and his point, though not too eloquent was... they're slaves of a different kind... now they are slaves of the state and by the federal government's doing.

Where is the outrage towards the NYT for trying to destroy this guy by taking his quotes way out of context?
Where the fark is it?????????????????????????????

These NYT assholes are far more vile than racists... don't you think?
 
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You want to keep pressing your fairy tale hypothetical scenario? Your like minded buddies here apparfently think your hypothetical posings are rather...whats the word they used...lame.

Try a realistic scenario, since you and I both know quite clearly that if in your hypothetical musing the conflict invilved inner city gangs this would never have come to light, you would have never said a word about it, and the administration would have ignored it. And since you already know my opinion on what they did as a means of debt collection, what makes you think I would feel any differently about collecting a debt from inner city gangs?

Its really rather pathetic that you STILL believe that sending in an army of people to collect a debt was the right thing to do and gosh...really...it was their only option. Its especially embarrassing that you support the administration playing what you believe to be their ONLY card and getting turned out and made to look like little bitches. How did that debt collection thing work out again? How much did it cost the taxpayers to NOT collect the debt?

A comment like this is so utterly stupid that people the world over are laughing at the ignorance of Americans. Be eternally grateful that this President was level headed enough not to press the issue by instructing Federal Agents to treat and respond to interference from those whackos as hostile.

Do you believe that these losers with their rifles and hand guns could have withstood a determined effort by Federal Agents armed with vastly superior firepower and numbers if it came down to that?...it would have been a massacre and then the same idiots that make nonsense posts about Pres. Obama would be crowing that this was his latest step in consolidating power in order to become a dictator.
 
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A comment like this is so utterly stupid that people the world over are laughing at the ignorance of Americans. Be eternally grateful that this President was level headed enough not to press the issue by instructing Federal Agents to treat and respond to interference from those whackos as hostile.

Do you believe that these losers with their rifles and hand guns could have withstood a determined effort by Federal Agents armed with vastly superior firepower and numbers if it came down to that?...it would have been a massacre and then the same idiots that make nonsense posts about Pres. Obama would be crowing that this was his latest step in consolidating power in order to become a dictator.
So...tell me. Now that the administration has played the ONLY OPTION you and others here seem to think they had and they got bitch smacked and turned out....NOW what?

Seriously. YOU and all these other people here that are rushing to defend the government action here...who claim that well...golly...it was the right thing to do....what ELSE could they do other than spend more than what they could possibly collect and send in an army of federal agents only to have what you believe is their ONE AND ONLY bestest alternative get shoved right down their throats....NOW what? DO you call Vladimir Putin and see if he will come fix it for you? DO you draw yet another line in the sand? Or do you just ignore it?

See...you are kinda ****ed, arent you? If they do ANYTHING else...it kinda proves they had a better option. If it actually WORKS it will show just how stupid they were taking THAT option. And...well...YOU are kinda stuck with your blind defense of everything the administration does and their current action...arent you?

Oh...the world is laughing at this administration alright.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

What did the Clinton administration do? Since...you know...thats when it started

You are embarrassing yourself yet again.


How embarrassing for you that shallow, petty insults and hate mongering is all you're good for.
 
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So...tell me. Now that the administration has played the ONLY OPTION you and others here seem to think they had and they got bitch smacked and turned out....NOW what?

Seriously. YOU and all these other people here that are rushing to defend the government action here...who claim that well...golly...it was the right thing to do....what ELSE could they do other than spend more than what they could possibly collect and send in an army of federal agents only to have what you believe is their ONE AND ONLY bestest alternative get shoved right down their throats....NOW what? DO you call Vladimir Putin and see if he will come fix it for you? DO you draw yet another line in the sand? Or do you just ignore it?

See...you are kinda ****ed, arent you? If they do ANYTHING else...it kinda proves they had a better option. If it actually WORKS it will show just how stupid they were taking THAT option. And...well...YOU are kinda stuck with your blind defense of everything the administration does and their current action...arent you?

Oh...the world is laughing at this administration alright.

The pen is mightier than the sword( or gun)

Bundy will lose if he tries to argue his case in court.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

How embarrassing for you that shallow, petty insults and hate mongering is all you're good for.
:lamo

I pointed out that your snarky little gotcha comment backfired and THAT is your response?

:lamo

How embarrassing for you!
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

:lamo

I pointed out that your snarky little gotcha comment backfired and THAT is your response?

:lamo

How embarrassing for you!

Thanks for proving my point. :2wave:
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

So you think the Govts. actions had nothing to do with Bundy? The Fed "overkill" as you probably describe it comes from a history of dealing with members of similar groups with similar beliefs like Timothy McVeigh or Randy Weaver.

It WAS overkill and not even done with any kind of competence at that.I do not support Bundy and I think he SHOULD pay any fees he owes the government,however there are better ways to collect fees then send in swat teams and helicopters to round up cattle at a cost that is GREATER than what is owed.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

It WAS overkill and not even done with any kind of competence at that.I do not support Bundy and I think he SHOULD pay any fees he owes the government,however there are better ways to collect fees then send in swat teams and helicopters to round up cattle at a cost that is GREATER than what is owed.

The man has stated that he believes that the United States government does not exist. How do you reason with that
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

The pen is mightier than the sword( or gun)

Bundy will lose if he tries to argue his case in court.
THATS what the administration needs. A penis mightier.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

The man has stated that he believes that the United States government does not exist. How do you reason with that

The same way you treat anyone else,I'm pretty sure the Feds could find a way to take it right out of his income stream without resorting to armed cattle round ups lol
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Thanks for proving my point. :2wave:
:lamo

And yet...

SO...why DIDNT Clinton deal with this when it first became a problem? Since...you know...you believe Clinton is responsible for this administrations failure.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

:lamo

And yet...

SO...why DIDNT Clinton deal with this when it first became a problem? Since...you know...you believe Clinton is responsible for this administrations failure.
I did say "predecessors". So what part of "predecessors" don't you understand?
 
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So...tell me. Now that the administration has played the ONLY OPTION you and others here seem to think they had and they got bitch smacked and turned out....NOW what?

Seriously. YOU and all these other people here that are rushing to defend the government action here...who claim that well...golly...it was the right thing to do....what ELSE could they do other than spend more than what they could possibly collect and send in an army of federal agents only to have what you believe is their ONE AND ONLY bestest alternative get shoved right down their throats....NOW what? DO you call Vladimir Putin and see if he will come fix it for you? DO you draw yet another line in the sand? Or do you just ignore it?

See...you are kinda ****ed, arent you? If they do ANYTHING else...it kinda proves they had a better option. If it actually WORKS it will show just how stupid they were taking THAT option. And...well...YOU are kinda stuck with your blind defense of everything the administration does and their current action...arent you?

Oh...the world is laughing at this administration alright.


First, I would advise you to calm down, you are coming off like a hysterical female. Now, onto the nonsense you have tried to apply to me and failed miserably.

Please point to any line in my comments where I stated that this was the "ONLY OPTION?" If you can't support that then you have outed yourself as a liar or intellectually incapable of understanding what I wrote.

Only fools and children would believe that these federal Agents got biz slapped in any way, simply because they did not use lethal force or escalate the situation means they lost something?...how childish.

When Federal troops were sent to the South to enforce desegregation laws I'm sure that the cost of those troops being billeted there exceeded the cost that the education of those Black children were going to cost, however the more intelligent of us recognize that there are some things more valuable than money.

The cost of these Federal Agents is nothing compared to the costs of thieves being allowed to steal for over 20 years and then attempting to thumb their nose at authorities when they are called into question.

The world is laughing at fools with semi- auto and bolt action rifles deluding themselves into thinking they are patriots with the fire power to suppress the power of the Federal govt if the Federal govt decided to solve the issue by force.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

I did say "predecessors". So what part of "predecessors" don't you understand?
:lamo

Thats even MORE pathetic. You tried to blame it on 'Bush'. You left the 'Clinton' part out. And now you want to pretend that REALLY...what you REALLY meant was both of them. Pure. Comedy. Gold.

:lamo

Of course...it doesnt really MATTER if Clinton screwed up or Bush screwed up. They dont own that miserable failure of an action. How sad that you try to blame yet another administration failure on someone else.
 
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First, I would advise you to calm down, you are coming off like a hysterical female. Now, onto the nonsense you have tried to apply to me and failed miserably.

Please point to any line in my comments where I stated that this was the "ONLY OPTION?" If you can't support that then you have outed yourself as a liar or intellectually incapable of understanding what I wrote.

Only fools and children would believe that these federal Agents got biz slapped in any way, simply because they did not use lethal force or escalate the situation means they lost something?...how childish.

When Federal troops were sent to the South to enforce desegregation laws I'm sure that the cost of those troops being billeted there exceeded the cost that the education of those Black children were going to cost, however the more intelligent of us recognize that there are some things more valuable than money.

The cost of these Federal Agents is nothing compared to the costs of thieves being allowed to steal for over 20 years and then attempting to thumb their nose at authorities when they are called into question.

The world is laughing at fools with semi- auto and bolt action rifles deluding themselves into thinking they are patriots with the fire power to suppress the power of the Federal govt if the Federal govt decided to solve the issue by force.
Niiiice! A gender attack. tell me...is that your USUALLY behavior...to disparage 'hysterical females'? Appropriate in this thread about Bundy that you would make such a comment. :lamo

And...wait...wait...YOU actually believe there was a BETTER option than the debacle the administration chose? See...thats FUNNY because THAT has been my point from the get go. Of course...you are kinda torn, arent you. You have to defend it...but you immediately try to distance yourself from it.

The world is laughing at this administration and yet another failure. Forget about lines in the Syrian sand...this administration cant handle a backwards rancher.
 
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:lamo

Thats even MORE pathetic. You tried to blame it on 'Bush'. You left the 'Clinton' part out. And now you want to pretend that REALLY...what you REALLY meant was both of them. Pure. Comedy. Gold.

:lamo

Of course...it doesnt really MATTER if Clinton screwed up or Bush screwed up. They dont own that miserable failure of an action. How sad that you try to blame yet another administration failure on someone else.

Mk...whatever. It's all Obama's fault. :roll:
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Mk...whatever. It's all Obama's fault. :roll:

The incident in question is tied to the Obama administration,he likely did not play any roll in how it played out though.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Mk...whatever. It's all Obama's fault. :roll:
THIS action falls on the Obama administration. Trying to blame it on Bush or even Clinton is...embarrassing.
 
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Niiiice! A gender attack. tell me...is that your USUALLY behavior...to disparage 'hysterical females'? Appropriate in this thread about Bundy that you would make such a comment. :lamo

And...wait...wait...YOU actually believe there was a BETTER option than the debacle the administration chose? See...thats FUNNY because THAT has been my point from the get go. Of course...you are kinda torn, arent you. You have to defend it...but you immediately try to distance yourself from it.

The world is laughing at this administration and yet another failure. Forget about lines in the Syrian sand...this administration cant handle a backwards rancher.

Again, point out where you claimed that I made a statement that an "ONLY OPTION" was available? I restate my earlier assertion, you are a liar or intellectually incapable of understanding what I write.

This paragraph that you wrote makes you come off as more hysterical than the first you aimed at me, where have I stated that one option was better than some other option?..where did I ever state that?

Are you rational?

Disparage: regard or represent as being of little worth.

Learn the proper usage of a word before you start spouting off. To compare your silly ranting's to the hysterics of a female does not belittle the female or imply worth of any type. It makes a comparison of the similarity of your behavior.
 
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Again, point out where you claimed that I made a statement that an "ONLY OPTION" was available? I restate my earlier assertion, you are a liar or intellectually incapable of understanding what I write.

This paragraph that you wrote makes you come off as more hysterical than the first you aimed at me, where have I stated that one option was better than some other option?..where did I ever state that?

Are you rational?

Disparage: regard or represent as being of little worth.

Learn the proper usage of a word before you start spouting off. To compare your silly ranting's to the hysterics of a female does not belittle the female or imply worth of any type. It makes a comparison of the similarity of your behavior.
Well...at least this time you didnt start off your comments insulting women.

As you jumped into other peoples conversation...people that blindly support the administration and their action at all cost...then yes...you were lumped in with them. So...again...pray tell...do you believe it was their best and only option? If so...you are them. If not...you are arguing with the wrong person. So...sack up. Do you believe it was the best and only option (as has been presented by those you side with) or do you believe there may have been a better option? We should be able to put this all to bed rather quickly...yes? If you side with the best and only option...well then...telling. If you believe that there were better options...then...also...telling.
 
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THIS action falls on the Obama administration. Trying to blame it on Bush or even Clinton is...embarrassing.
THIS action is what Bush should have done. It's not Obama's fault that Bush was a inept president.
 
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Well...at least this time you didnt start off your comments insulting women.

As you jumped into other peoples conversation...people that blindly support the administration and their action at all cost...then yes...you were lumped in with them. So...again...pray tell...do you believe it was their best and only option? If so...you are them. If not...you are arguing with the wrong person. So...sack up. Do you believe it was the best and only option (as has been presented by those you side with) or do you believe there may have been a better option? We should be able to put this all to bed rather quickly...yes? If you side with the best and only option...well then...telling. If you believe that there were better options...then...also...telling.

So in other words...yeah you lied. I was " lumped in with them" aka I will try to use semantics to cover my lie.

My opinion is this, the force of any government body should never be used to deprive citizen's of their legal and Constitutional rights or to enforce immoral and unjust laws. However this man is a thief and free loader and is exploiting simple minded citizens to rally behind his illegal activity masked as patriotism.

Time for me to get some sleep.
 
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Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

THIS action is what Bush should have done. It's not Obama's fault that Bush was a inept president.
Bush? Why...because Clinton ****ed it up? :lamo

You just cant help yourself.
 
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