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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

omg lol

You are intolerant of all forms of racism and yet would find it funny coming from a black man...smh
I would find it funny because the sentence has no historical reference... It would be a fantasy statement without any basis in reality...
funny...
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Even the right wing poster boy Hannity threw his ass under the bus.

You see... I expected this type of response. I'll wait and see if your cohorts behave in the same dimwitted manner.

You are given the entire quote IN CONTEXT, and you fail to be outraged about being played like a dumb cat by the propagandists at the NYT.

So for you, having the full weight of the NYT to falsely paint somoene as a racist in an attempt to destroy them... doesn't bother you?
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

I would find it funny because the sentence has no historical reference... It would be a fantasy statement without any basis in reality...
funny...

Apparently you are not aware of whites being used as slaves...

A million Europeans enslaved

REUTERS NEWS AGENCY
An American historian says that more than a million Europeans were enslaved by North African slave traders between 1530 and 1780, a time of vigorous Mediterranean and Atlantic coastal piracy.
The number of white European slaves is only a fraction of the trade that brought 10 million to 12 million black African slaves to the Americas over a 400-year period, historian Robert Davis says, but his research shows the slave trade was more widespread than commonly assumed. The impact on Europe’s white population was significant.
“One of the things that both the public and many scholars have tended to take as given is that slavery was always racial in nature — that only blacks have been slaves. But that is not true,” said Mr. Davis, an Ohio State University professor.

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A million Europeans enslaved - Washington Times
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Apparently you are not aware of whites being used as slaves...

A million Europeans enslaved

REUTERS NEWS AGENCY
An American historian says that more than a million Europeans were enslaved by North African slave traders between 1530 and 1780, a time of vigorous Mediterranean and Atlantic coastal piracy.
The number of white European slaves is only a fraction of the trade that brought 10 million to 12 million black African slaves to the Americas over a 400-year period, historian Robert Davis says, but his research shows the slave trade was more widespread than commonly assumed. The impact on Europe’s white population was significant.
“One of the things that both the public and many scholars have tended to take as given is that slavery was always racial in nature — that only blacks have been slaves. But that is not true,” said Mr. Davis, an Ohio State University professor.

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A million Europeans enslaved - Washington Times
Jews were slaves first and then killed, and this happened not too long ago. I do believe most were white.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

So what, he has a black body guard?
It isn't just that he is black, it is what he says.
Or are you just too damn prejudiced to see that?


For me warning signs are words like:

colored people

let me tell you about negroes

they abort their young children

they put their young men in jail

because they never learned to pick cotton
Warning signs?
Bs!
You look at what was said, how it was said, and what was actually meant.

And if the idiots could past the point of their false claims of racism, maybe we get started actually discussing and coming up with ways to fix the problem that he sees in the condition of the black man enslaved to the welfare state.


but what he said was racist and he deserves to be called out for his dumb, insensitive remarks about African Americans. I was of that opinion when it was said by the boss of the Duck Dynasty and I am of the same opinion here. You do not have to be a racist to make racially insensitive remarks (it helps but it is not a prerequisite).
Nothing he said was racist.
And this crap about sensitivities is bs.





Within the context of the rest of his statement, I took that as an analogy for "because they never learned to work".

Since, in reality, picking cotton as an activity/job is in no way a race-specific activity. It has simply become iconic (is there a negative form of iconic, like famous/infamous? Nevermind.) of the slavery era, specifically in southern parts of the country.
That is because you bother to consider what he meant by what he said.





He judges an entire race of people on something he says he saw once driving through Las Vegas.
He speaks of the "the Negros" as though they are a monolithic block of people with no differences between individuals.
These are the words a racist uses .
Clive Bundy is a racist.
The world understands this to be evident based on the man's own words.
Give it up.
Wtf? He didn't judge them.
And no, he is not a racist. That is an idiotic claim.
And no, racists do not use the words he used in the way he used them. So can your bs.
He spoke directly to the welfare state and how it has harmed the negro race.

And if anybody thinks the following is what a racist would say, their thinker isn't on straight.
I was in the Watts riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen that last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people are thinking they don't have their freedoms, they didn't have these things, and they didn't have them.

We've progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and we sure don't want to go back. We sure don't want the colored people to go back to that point. We sure don't want these Mexican people to go back to that point. And we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

:lamo

Lets accept your reality. YOUR reality is that that pathetic display was A-the right thing o do and B-the only real option the administration they had. So to recap...you actually believe this administration is so ****ing pathetic they cant even resolve a debt collection of a single US citizen. Well...hell...their foreign policy at least makes a lot more sense now.

Thats...embarrassing in so many was.

This legal dispute started under the first Bush dude, and it hasn't been resolved since so lets not forget to include Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama as so pathetic they can't resolve a debt collection from a single citizen.

And lets not forget that the BLM did round up a lot of Bundy's cattle for the purpose of reselling them to pay his debt but the fanatics guarding him were prepared to act violently even placing women in the line of fire by using them as human shields, need I post that video again? And police decided that it wasn't worth another Waco, Texas to obtain a bunch of cattle and settle the debt.

There's some facts for you.
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments,



What the hell is he talking about? We had a better family life as slaves !!!!! Most of our family members were separated and sold to other plantations. And you guys on the right support this clown !!!

It's pretty easy to see that he's saying African-Americans are no better off under these government policies then they were as slaves. Surprisingly, the initial reporting on this was edited to make the comments look racist. Just another example of the yellow journalism the american media is embracing concerning race issues.
 
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Holland is another name for Netherlands....

Holland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No, for some people it is a generally accepted name for the entire country but however you look at it, it is the name for just 2 provinces out of the 12 that make up the Netherlands. I do not live in Holland I live in the Netherlands. "Het koninkrijk der Nederlanden" or the kingdom of the Netherlands is the name of my country. When the country was just formed it was already called the Republic of the Seven united Netherlands.

We also use it as an informal nickname for our country when it comes to sporting events because it is much easier to use as Nederland. But that does not mean we use it a substitute for the actual name of our country. The Netherlands is what our country is named.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

I did not say warning words but warning signs. Warnings signs of a racist attitude at the least. Yes, his body guard is black, good for him, but that does not mean that the comments he made are acceptable to all without comment or other opinions. I also do not know Holland, I live in the Netherlands.

What do you know about racism? You live in one of the whitest countries in the world. The black American bodygaurd has truckloads more credibility than you do. If he isn't freaked out, you shouldn't be either.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

This legal dispute started under the first Bush dude, and it hasn't been resolved since so lets not forget to include Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama as so pathetic they can't resolve a debt collection from a single citizen.

And lets not forget that the BLM did round up a lot of Bundy's cattle for the purpose of reselling them to pay his debt but the fanatics guarding him were prepared to act violently even placing women in the line of fire by using them as human shields, need I post that video again? And police decided that it wasn't worth another Waco, Texas to obtain a bunch of cattle and settle the debt.

There's some facts for you.
Sure...you can include everyone else. Go ahead. OR you could figure the others were actually busy dealing with things that mattered and didnt think it made a ton of sense taking the action this administration did. And how about YOU? Is THAT your answer? Is THAT what you think should have been done? Are you of the mindset that the ONLY and best thing this administration could do was send in an army of armed feds at a cost greater than anything they could have collected, only to turn a scofflaw into a 'hero' and then run like a pack of little bitches? I just want to make sure I understand you correctly. You HONEST TO GOD believe A- it was the RIGHT thing to do, B- was handled the right way, C-well...golly what ELSE could they do, and D-that this administration cant handle a debt collection without turning it into a national embarrassment and ****ing it up? And you wonder why the world thinks this administration is a ****ing joke?
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

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Who knows? They may have a racist tendency but I think they dislike White Southerners for attitudes like this Mr. Bundy, the Duck Dynasty head honcho, Ted Nugent (and import Southerner now living in Texas) called Obama a subhuman mongrel, the south is the home of David Duke of the KKK, the south where MLK was shot dead and there are other politicians from the South with a not so clean score-sheet when it comes to making racist comments or belonging to racist groups.

Or a politician like Jesse Helms, who stated that NC university was a university of negroes and communists. A man who did his best to not have an MLK day in the US. A politician who opposed black judges from getting on the federal bench and who got struck across the knuckles by the Department of Justice for mailing 125,000 postcards to households in predominantly African-American precincts warning them (incorrectly) that they could go to jail if they had not updated their addresses on the electoral register since moving.

Ted Cruz called for a 100 more people like Jesse Helms in the senate. Great another Southern white man who is calling for more people who could very well be classified as a racist like Jesse Helms.




A group of young white males were drinking and partying in the small town of Puckett, in largely white Rankin County, Mississippi. According to a lawyer representing one (or more) of the perpetrators, they decided to go buy more beer in a location where stores were open later at night. According to law enforcement officials, Deryl Dedmon, a white man from Brandon, Mississippi, led the group, saying to his friends, "Let's go **** with some niggers." The group climbed into Dedmon's green 1998 Ford F-250 truck and a white Jeep Cherokee and drove 16 miles (26 km) west on Interstate 20 to a predominantly black area on the western edge of Jackson.

According to prosecutors, James Craig Anderson was near his truck in the parking lot at the Metro Inn in Jackson at 5 am on June 26.The two vehicles with the young whites pulled off the freeway and into the motel parking lot. They claimed they believed that Anderson was trying to steal a vehicle because they saw him trying to break into one. The vehicle was Anderson's own; he had lost his keys. The group repeatedly beat Anderson and robbed him, the district attorney said, citing reports from witnesses. Video from a motel security camera does not show any beating but shows the perpetrators entering and leaving the frame of the video. One witness reported that one of the perpetrators yelled, “white power,” when returning to his truck after the beating.

William Montgomery drove the Jeep away and Dedmon drove his pickup over Anderson, killing him. He left the scene at a high speed.

Later Dedmon boasted about beating and running Anderson over, saying, "I ran that nigger over," to the accomplices in the Jeep. Law enforcement officials said that Dedmon repeated that statement with the racial slur in subsequent conversations


Murder of James Craig Anderson - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Or the sign in the South that said "I do not support niggers in the white house"?

And I know it is not the majority of Southerners who think like that but they are still out there.

1) Bundy isn't from The South. They don't have maps in Holland?

2) You're going to judge an entire group of people by the actions of a few assholes?

You bitch about Bundy, then justifu your comments by condoning racism and bigotry.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

This legal dispute started under the first Bush dude, and it hasn't been resolved since so lets not forget to include Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama as so pathetic they can't resolve a debt collection from a single citizen.

And lets not forget that the BLM did round up a lot of Bundy's cattle for the purpose of reselling them to pay his debt but the fanatics guarding him were prepared to act violently even placing women in the line of fire by using them as human shields, need I post that video again? And police decided that it wasn't worth another Waco, Texas to obtain a bunch of cattle and settle the debt.

There's some facts for you.

"Bundy's beef with federal land management officials dates back to 1993, according to federal officials, when Bundy's allotment for grazing his cattle on public land was modified to include protections for the desert tortoise."

Nevada Rancher Threatens Range War Against Feds - ABC News



Hmmmm....Facts? Say it ain't so.....You don't even have the first "fact" in your post right.....

"William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton (born William Jefferson Blythe III, August 19, 1946) is an American politician who served from 1993 to 2001 as the 42nd President of the United States."

Bill Clinton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, Fact is not what you seem to be about here....
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Snake my way out of what? That I hate racists?
Don't you hate racists apdst?
:lamo

Sure, but I don't combat racism with more racism.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

"Bundy's beef with federal land management officials dates back to 1993, according to federal officials, when Bundy's allotment for grazing his cattle on public land was modified to include protections for the desert tortoise."

Nevada Rancher Threatens Range War Against Feds - ABC News



Hmmmm....Facts? Say it ain't so.....You don't even have the first "fact" in your post right.....

"William Jefferson "Bill" Clinton (born William Jefferson Blythe III, August 19, 1946) is an American politician who served from 1993 to 2001 as the 42nd President of the United States."

Bill Clinton - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So, Fact is not what you seem to be about here....

My mistake I saw a source from 1998 and I thought it said 1988.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Sure...you can include everyone else. Go ahead. OR you could figure the others were actually busy dealing with things that mattered and didnt think it made a ton of sense taking the action this administration did. And how about YOU? Is THAT your answer? Is THAT what you think should have been done? Are you of the mindset that the ONLY and best thing this administration could do was send in an army of armed feds at a cost greater than anything they could have collected, only to turn a scofflaw into a 'hero' and then run like a pack of little bitches? I just want to make sure I understand you correctly. You HONEST TO GOD believe A- it was the RIGHT thing to do, B- was handled the right way, C-well...golly what ELSE could they do, and D-that this administration cant handle a debt collection without turning it into a national embarrassment and ****ing it up? And you wonder why the world thinks this administration is a ****ing joke?

I honestly believe after almost 2 decades of not paying the fines placed against him for his illegal actions that law enforcement was justified in seizing property to enforce a court order, yes. Also if you think the administration, as in the White House itself, has a personal hand in this you're crazy and grossly misinformed.

Shoot I also think every person who blocked the property seizure by threatening the use of force as well as the use of human shields should be charged with obstruction of justice at the very least. Hell that one guy who actually said they would use human shields could be charge with conspiracy to murder for knowingly trying to create a situation that would result in people being killed
 
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I honestly believe after almost 2 decades of not paying the fines placed against him for his illegal actions that law enforcement was justified in seizing property to enforce a court order, yes. Also if you think the administration, as in the White House itself, has a personal hand in this you're crazy and grossly misinformed.

Shoot I also think every person who blocked the property seizure by threatening the use of force as well as the use of human shields should be charged with obstruction of justice at the very least. Hell that one guy who actually said they would use human shields could be charge with conspiracy to murder for knowingly trying to create a situation that would result in people being killed
gotcha. You are on the record now as saying you believe this was their only option, and the administration is so completely inept that they even ****ed up handling a basic debt collection. :lamo
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

OK: How is a guy getting something for free from the Federal government not welfare? Why should Bundy get welfare, and why does the extreme right want to defend his welfare with violence if necessary?
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

OK: How is a guy getting something for free from the Federal government not welfare? Why should Bundy get welfare, and why does the extreme right want to defend his welfare with violence if necessary?
Isnt he entitled to his cut of the Constitutionally guaranteed 'General Welfare Clause?"
 
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Isnt he entitled to his cut of the Constitutionally guaranteed 'General Welfare Clause?"

That's fine, but don't go telling people how that's not what it means then.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

That's fine, but don't go telling people how that's not what it means then.
That isn't what it means, but that is what liberals say it means. If liberals were consistent they would be defending this welfare queen.
 
re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

I saw an interview with this guy and he seems barely capable of forming complete thoughts. Almost kinda feel bad for him.

What an idiot.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

Who else does the left defend when they don't pay their cattle grazing fees?
That isn't what it means, but that is what liberals say it means. If liberals were consistent they would be defending this welfare queen.
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

That isn't what it means, but that is what liberals say it means. If liberals were consistent they would be defending this welfare queen.

Don't make an argument you don't mean. You want this guy to get his welfare, but not other people. Why is that?

Then why is the right ready to open fire on the federal government to protect this guy's welfare?
 
Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

gotcha. You are on the record now as saying you believe this was their only option, and the administration is so completely inept that they even ****ed up handling a basic debt collection. :lamo

I dont believe you can call a debt collection being blocked by hundred of armed militiamen "simple." And if its so simple why wasnt it done 20 years ago?
 
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