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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by HolyBull View Post
    You claimed that the media doesn't "go gaga" over black conservatives like Keyes because they dislike black men who "don't know their place," implying a form of racism on the part of the left. I wondered why the left is being accused of this when the alternative explanation is simply that they disagree with his politics. They don't like Keyes for the same reasons they don't like Gingrich or Huckabee. Why does his race even come into it?

    I brought up Sarah Palin as a similar example that swaps racism for sexism. If I don't like Palin, is it because she doesn't know her place as a woman by hanging with the cool liberals? Or do I just think her positions are absurd?
    I'm not a person who would accuse the liberal media of being racist against a black man.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    That doesn't answer my question to mak, which made no sense with my post he quoted.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

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    That doesn't answer my question to mak, which made no sense with my post he quoted.
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    Steve Forbes - 1,751,187 (11.41%)
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    It doesn't answer my question to mak, Buck. I have no idea what the nomination thing was about. I never suggested that Keyes was nominated so I have no idea why his electoral history is relevant.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm not a person who would accuse the liberal media of being racist against a black man.
    Apologies if I offended you, but I'm not sure what you were trying to say, then.

    Back on the subject: I don't think Bundy is a malicious racist. He's just got a bad case of the stupids, no idea how to speak to a national audience, and is making the common mistake of glorifying the past while ignoring its flaws.

    Comparing himself to Rosa Parks is really something, though. I almost feel bad for the guy, letting his own stupidity carry him out over his head like this.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    It doesn't answer my question to mak, Buck. I have no idea what the nomination thing was about. I never suggested that Keyes was nominated so I have no idea why his electoral history is relevant.
    I wouldn't presume to speak for mak ...but I think his point was that, as much as you love Keyes ... the American public doesn't.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    I wouldn't presume to speak for mak ...but I think his point was that, as much as you love Keyes ... the American public doesn't.
    Well, Buck, if that was mak's point, then he wasted in on me. That's a childish point that has no point.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by HolyBull View Post
    Apologies if I offended you, but I'm not sure what you were trying to say, then.

    Back on the subject: I don't think Bundy is a malicious racist. He's just got a bad case of the stupids, no idea how to speak to a national audience, and is making the common mistake of glorifying the past while ignoring its flaws.

    Comparing himself to Rosa Parks is really something, though. I almost feel bad for the guy, letting his own stupidity carry him out over his head like this.
    You didn't offend me at all. Didn't mean for it to come across that way - sorry about that.

    The liberal media discounted Keyes - just like they did Scott & West - because he isn't a liberal, and doesn't hang with the liberals. That isn't an accusation of racism (which PS I detest....it seems that everyone is a racist these days....and it's getting tiresome).

    I agree 100% with your Bundy assessment. He's not too bright, but then again, he's nothing but a private citizen, so he can be as dumb as he wants.

    Welcome to the board, BTW.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    if he is such a great guy and all the other Republicna canditates were fatally flawed...
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Nominated for what?
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by mak2 View Post
    if he is such a great guy and all the other Republicna canditates were fatally flawed...
    So I'm supposed to subscribe to groupthink, and not think someone is a good man because others did want him to be President (which PS, still has nothing to do with my post)?

    You subscribe to groupthink. I don't.

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