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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

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    I already did, you don't accept that a LEO has the responsibility to utilize deadly force when warranted. Not my job to prove it to you further, you are the one playing the semantic game. I know they do, and I accept it, you don't accept it, so,it is up to you to prove your assertion.

    Don't play obtuse.
    You're doing a fine job of dodging the issue.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

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    You're doing a fine job of dodging the issue.
    I answered your question, you can't comprehend the answer.

    Run along now.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're doing a fine job of dodging the issue.
    Hows this?


    The BLM Office of Law Enforcement & Security, headquartered in Washington, D.C., is a federal law enforcement agency of the U.S. government. All Law Enforcement Rangers and Special Agents receive their training through Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC). Law Enforcement Rangers attend the Land Management Police Training (LMPT) academy at FLTEC, while BLM Special Agents attend the Criminal Investigator Training Program (CITP) at FLETC.
    BLM Law Enforcement Rangers and Special Agents make up the law enforcement capability of the BLM. Rangers and Special Agents are located in each of the western states that have BLM lands. Law Enforcement Rangers make up the uniformed high visibility enforcement of laws. Special Agents investigate crimes against property, visitors and employees.
    Uniformed Law Enforcement Rangers enforce Federal laws and regulations governing BLM lands and resources. Law Enforcement Rangers also enforce some or all state laws on BLM lands. As part of that mission Law Enforcement Rangers carry firearms, defensive equipment, make arrests, execute search warrants, complete reports and testify in court. They establish a regular and recurring presence on a vast amount of public lands, roads, and recreation sites. The primary focus of their jobs is the protection of natural resources, protection of BLM employees and the protection of visitors. They use K-9s, helicopters, snowmobiles, dirt bikes and boats to perform their duties.
    Special Agents are criminal investigators who plan and conduct investigations concerning possible violations of criminal and administrative provisions of the BLM and other statutes under the United States Code. Special agents are normally plain clothes officers who carry concealed firearms, and other defensive equipment, make arrests, carry out complex criminal investigations, present cases for prosecution to U.S. Attorneys, and prepare investigative reports. Criminal investigators occasionally conduct internal and civil claim investigations.
    Would they be trained in the of, and issued, fire arms if they were not authorized to use them?
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    Hows this?



    Would they be trained in the of, and issued, fire arms if they were not authorized to use them?
    IOW, would the government over-step it's legal bounds to do whatever it wanted? History tells us, YES!

    I mean, look at these clowns...they were ready to start a firefight over a bunch of cows. You really want ignorant asses like that totin' a badge and a gun?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, would the government over-step it's legal bounds to do whatever it wanted? History tells us, YES!

    I mean, look at these clowns...they were ready to start a firefight over a bunch of cows. You really want ignorant asses like that totin' a badge and a gun?
    The BLM Safety Manual H1112-1 (Section 26.2) specifies that only State Directors may authorize a nonlaw enforcement employee to carry a firearm while on official duty. Upon an employee’s successful completion of the prescribed training, background clearance, and proficiency testing, a letter of authorization from the State Director’s office will be sent to the employee’s manager; the manager ensures a copy of the letter is delivered to the employee. The employee is then authorized to transport and carry a firearm Authorizations to carry firearms are effective for 1 year. Proficiency testing must be repeated prior to reauthorization each year.
    Due to the statistically demonstrated high hazard level associated with carrying and handling firearms, a Firearms Instructor shall refuse to authorize an employee to carry a firearm if the employee demonstrates an obvious lack of situational awareness or appropriate level of caution with a firearm regardless of the employee’s otherwise successful completion of the proficiency course of fire.
    Pretty much the same as any other law enforcement training and authorization of fire arms use.
    http://www.blm.gov/pgdata/etc/medial...wy2012_035-pdf
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post

    I mean, look at these clowns...they were ready to start a firefight over a bunch of cows. You really want ignorant asses like that totin' a badge and a gun?
    They were not ready to start a fire fight over a bunch of cows... Bundy's militias were.
    That is why the BLM backed away, to pursue law enforcement of the court order on another day in another setting without the bloodshed the militias were there for.
    That is why nobody is dead.
    They demonstrated decorum, good judgement and a willingness to avoid bloodshed when confronted by those who would stop them from completing their duties with the threat of deadly force.
    Last edited by Buck Ewer; 04-29-14 at 12:40 AM.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No-one is defending his "welfare", they're denouncing the tactics of the BLM/Feds.
    Ah, so it is the fault of the government. Not his fault for not paying to use land that he didn't own. Yep, there's that "personal responsibility." A person is responsible for their own actions unless they are conservative - then it's the fault of the government or the liberal media (possibly both).

    He was getting something for nothing from the government. When a single mom in a big city does that it's called "welfare." .


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, would the government over-step it's legal bounds to do whatever it wanted? History tells us, YES!

    I mean, look at these clowns...they were ready to start a firefight over a bunch of cows. You really want ignorant asses like that totin' a badge and a gun?
    Ignorant asses shouldn't be totin' guns, but that hasn't stopped the ignorant asses for showing up and making it a standoff.


    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    Ah, so it is the fault of the government. Not his fault for not paying to use land that he didn't own. Yep, there's that "personal responsibility." A person is responsible for their own actions unless they are conservative - then it's the fault of the government or the liberal media (possibly both).

    He was getting something for nothing from the government. When a single mom in a big city does that it's called "welfare." .
    What was laughable was that Bundy didn't even know the correct terms. He kept referring to welfare recipients as those getting government subsidies....
    Subsidies, something as a cattle rancher and farmer he knew all about getting from the government.

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