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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You have already been shown to be wrong.
    He was expressing his concern.
    And then you woke up and came to your senses...

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    OK: How is a guy getting something for free from the Federal government not welfare? Why should Bundy get welfare, and why does the extreme right want to defend his welfare with violence if necessary?
    No-one is defending his "welfare", they're denouncing the tactics of the BLM/Feds.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by reconmark View Post
    And then you woke up and came to your senses...
    Yes, pointing out that he was wrong is coming to ones senses. Now all you have to do is do the same.

    His comments were not racist.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    It is a word of disparagement in society. I agree it's not as bad as nigger but even you have to admit if a GOP candidate used the word "negro" to describe someone that person would NOT be elected.

    I don't think Bundy is racist, but I do think he is an idiot.

    To compare slavery to ANY type of welfare program is stupid. Those on the right ALWAYS say that ANYONE can become ANYTHING they want to if they put their mind to it. Therefore using personal responsibility it isn't the program keeping the person down it's the person.
    Sure it's the person. A person baited into dependance.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If there is anyone who thinks that African Americans were better off on a cotton plantation,

    This image is proof that their belief is wrong Attachment 67165556
    Bundy did not make that statement that they were. He asked a rhetorical question with the intent of displaying that the African-American community (Negros, in his words) are no better off now under welfare policies.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Idiot?
    Poor at expressing himself, and ignorant of the subject material, sure. But idiot?
    I don't see it.

    His use clearly was not racist.
    In this case it was antiquated and without disparagement.

    And yes I do know that some find it offensive. As far as I am concerned intent matters. Not reception.
    And frankly, in today's day and age no one goes around using negro to be offensive, they use the word nigger or kaffer.
    Yes, He was an idiot. To compare slavery to a welfare program, yes he was an idiot. The right constantly says that people can do whatever and be whatever they want to so it is idiotic to blame welfare.

    and I never said he was racist but yes the word in the way he used it WAS offensive to most. YOU may not have thought so and that is fine. I respect the fact YOU didn't think it was offensive.

    And its not just "some" that find it offensive, MOST people find negro offensive.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Sure it's the person. A person baited into dependance.
    But it is the person that is responsible for their own future right? I mean that's what you on the right think.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    No-one is defending his "welfare", they're denouncing the tactics of the BLM/Feds.
    Actually in the number of threads on this, there ARE people that have been defending his actions. They claim since the BLMs reason for the grazing fee is bull****, he has every right to do what he did. May not be a majority of people, but they are there and have posted in the threads for support of his actions.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    He made no racist remark.
    Show where anything said says he thinks his race is better than another. Can't do it can you?

    He made no racist remark.


    I'll chosen words to express himself? Sure.
    But not racist, racial or even prejudiced.
    He made several faulty assumptions which led to his (possibly) unknowingly racist remarks about "the negro".

    My main quibble is his apparent viewpoint - namely that he spoke of black persons as a whole rather than individuals. Granted people do that all the time, but I dislike it.

    My second quibble is that he apparently doesn't realize how idiotic comparing any form of life to a life of slavery is. Even if black persons somehow are worse off now in terms of culture, family, and so forth, at least they're not slaves. For ****s sake. To say such a thing shows either a near-total lack of historical knowledge....or some crazy kind of stereotype about black persons wherein being enslaved is somehow acceptable to them...or something else, I dunno.

    My third quibble was his choice of words. Not much of one, because it seems to me that he doesn't realize many persons stopped using "the negro", "colored people", "negroes", and so forth as words to describe black persons awhile ago. I'm not someone who subscribes to the notion that only politically correct words should be used, but....
    Actually this ties in with quibble #1 - he used the term "the negro" as if he were speaking of a single entity.
    I dislike that.

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    I don't think he knows he's slightly racist/bigoted. Or at the least he has stereotypes and uses them as reality.

    As I have said before.

    He's racist.
    But unknowingly so.
    Because stupid.
    Education.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Yes, He was an idiot. To compare slavery to a welfare program, yes he was an idiot.
    Ok you are an extremist as well.
    Your claim is ridiculous in light of what he explained he meant.
    Being poor at expressing himself, and ignorant of the subject material does not make one an idiot.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    but yes the word in the way he used it WAS offensive to most.
    No it wasn't.


    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    MOST people find negro offensive.
    That really isn't something you can prove.
    So bs.
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