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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Show me where he said his race was better than other races.
    Oy vey...that's not what racism is entirely. Disparaging a race is also racism. What amazes me is that despite the fact that there are far, far more whites on welfare than blacks, Bundy chose to single out the blacks. That's racism. Most people on welfare in this country (including the moocher Bundy) are white. Singling out black people is racist.

    Nor was anything he said prejudicial. He spoke specifically of the deleterious effect the welfare state has had on the negro.
    "the negro?" Wow...you didn't even quote him on it. You just went there, didn't you? What surprises me is that he doesn't think it has the same effect on white people? Ever take a ride through the Ozarks or Harlan County? Or the entire state of West Virginia? Or any of the other red states that take more than they contribute to the Treasury (of which all but three are welfare states)? Talk about fat, lazy moochers!


    "We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way."

    Calling black people "colored people" is racist, FYI. Calling Latinos "Mexicans" is racist too. This guy is one big, racist pee-bag.

    Those are not the comments of a racist.
    Those are exactly the comments of a racist. Right down to calling Latinos "Mexicans" and calling blacks "colored"


    It is not resolved as it is still disputed.
    There is no dispute. Bundy is a deadbeat who doesn't pay his bills and mooches off the government.

    And not one Court has called him a welfare queen.
    Not in those exact words, but they did rule that he's been mooching off government land for decades. That would make him a welfare queen, would it not? What do you call someone who mooches off the government for 20 years? A welfare queen. You've been doing so this entire thread.

    And finally, I doubt no, from what I have seen you are not capable of understanding the intricacies involved with the law here to even have a rational debate about it.
    The law is clear. If Bundy's cows graze on government land, he has to pay a fee. He refuses to pay a fee. That makes him a deadbeat welfare moocher.

    Show he is paying him to say nice things about him.
    HE IS PAYING THE GUY TO PROTECT HIM. Literally.

    Are you really that uneducated not to know he is speaking of the work ethic?
    Of which Bundy has none. Nor does he have a sense of integrity either. Complaining about "colored people" on welfare as he mooches off the government to the tune of millions of dollars. What a sponge.

    Which is not taught by being on welfare.
    Again, most people on welfare (Food stamps, Medicaid), are employed. They just don't get paid enough, hence why they're on subsidies. What amazes me is why you would defend big business paying these wages which only increases the amount of people who need these welfare programs. If you want to get people off welfare, pay them more. The end.

    Are you really that much of a racially closed minded bigot to think such?
    I'm no Cliven Bundy, that's for sure. I think work ethic is something that comes from your parents, it's not inherent in race. Bundy seems to think it's inherent in race. Hence his comments about "learning to pick cotton".

    Wrong. You are so irrational that now you are trying to paint conservatives as such.
    Conservatives are nothing but racists. The entire modern, Buckley-led Conservative movement came about as a reaction to Civil Rights advances. And all the Conservatives -ALL OF THEM- opposed Civil Rights and still do to this day.

    Sorry, your espoused irrational idiocy is just that
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    I think you're so frustrated that I'm smacking you around that you're resorting to Sarah Palin word salad to make yourself feel better.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    What he said was racist, what he said was plenty enough to be racist.
    You have already been shown to be wrong.
    He was expressing his concern.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    When African Americans were slaves they had no rights, because they were considered property.
    Thank you for the history lesson. Gee, and here we all thought that black slaves had rights.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, what he said was the federal government is overly oppressive.
    So welfare = oppression? So all the white people, including Bundy, are oppressed? He doesn't seem oppressed to me.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Holy ****.
    He was making a comparison and was based on what he thought he knew of a specific aspect of their condition. (Which happens to be faulty.)
    That in no way makes a person a racist, especially as he is expressing concern of their condition as he sees it under welfare.
    Thet refuse to see it. I can't decide if it's ignorance, or just a desire to scream "RACIST" because it makes them think they're being cool and progressive.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Thank you for the history lesson. Gee, and here we all thought that black slaves had rights.
    If any thinks blacks were better off in a time when they were considered property, they have no idea what it is like to lose your very humanity.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    He was making a comparison and was based on what he thought he knew of a specific aspect of their condition. (Which happens to be faulty.)
    Ok, so if that's the case then how did he reach that conclusion if he's not a racist?

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If any thinks blacks were better off in a time when they were considered property, they have no idea what it is like to lose your very humanity.
    He's a RACIST! Keep chanting it. It makes you feel better.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by The Penguin View Post
    Ok, so if that's the case then how did he reach that conclusion if he's not a racist?
    There is nothing racist about comparing a situation of government oppression to that of modern day government dependency...
    I don't often change my signature, but this was just too over the top to let anyone forget with what this country is up against...
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, what he said was the federal government is overly oppressive. He won't clarify it because he already has clarified it.

    Racist comments would be "I hate black people. They aren't as smart as whites. They shouldn't work because they would screw it up. They shouldn't be citizens because they aren't worthy of being Americans." He never said anything close to any of that.

    His words were rhetorical, same as the words of that black man with the fancy Princeton degrees who was trying to make a point who I posted about earlier.

    I wonder whether it isn't better for the Warren Jeffs-affiliated Mormon preteen girls to be hookers than to be married to smelly old men old enough to be their grandfathers. Does that mean I hate Mormon girls? Am I prejudiced against Mormon girls? Am I advocating sending them into a life of prostitution? Or do I maybe feel that one lousy life is as bad as or worse than another lousy life because I *think* that they are victims of people who don't treat them as I would?

    He specifically targeted African-Americans in his rant and characterized their "dependence on the government" in a very negative manner. He then went on to talk about Hispanics and how admirable they are. Both African-Americans and Hispanics, in addition to whites, make up a large segment of the population on government programs. Therefore, his comments were, again, either racist or very ignorant.

    He either doesn't realize that other groups of people make up a large segment of the population on welfare, or he thinks that it is only bad if African-Americans are on welfare.
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