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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    This is so sad.
    The guy is clearly concerned for the state of other races, and they want to demonize him for voicing it.

    Truly pathetic.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So if the answer is "ignorant" does that mean he's not racist?
    If he said "I apologize for what I said. I am not racist just incredibly ignorant"? Sure, I might believe him. He had the opportunity to clear his remarks and he stood by everything he said.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    If he said "I apologize for what I said. I am not racist just incredibly ignorant"? Sure, I might believe him. He had the opportunity to clear his remarks and he stood by everything he said.
    Because he believes what he said. To him, the US government is the most oppressive entity in history. That is not an opinion I share, but it also doesn't make him a racist. It makes him an anti-government, angry old man who probably has a scorching case of Alzheimers.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    So why does he just see "negros" on public assistance? There are lots of white people on it too. Does he just not care about white people?
    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Because he believes what he said. To him, the US government is the most oppressive entity in history. That is not an opinion I share, but it also doesn't make him a racist. It makes him an anti-government, angry old man who probably has a scorching case of Alzheimers.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    If there is anyone who thinks that African Americans were better off on a cotton plantation,

    This image is proof that their belief is wrong
    He explained what he meant. So either pay attention to what he meant and attempt to understand it, or push on.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Because he believes what he said.
    Exactly. He knew his remarks were criticized as being racist when he said that he wondered whether blacks were better off as slaves. He had the opportunity to clarify what he meant and his response was that his previous statement was exactly right.

    Which makes me think that what he said was racist.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    Exactly. He knew his remarks were criticized as being racist when he said that he wondered whether blacks were better off as slaves. He had the opportunity to clarify what he meant and his response was that his previous statement was exactly right.

    Which makes me think that what he said was racist.
    No, what he said was the federal government is overly oppressive. He won't clarify it because he already has clarified it.

    Racist comments would be "I hate black people. They aren't as smart as whites. They shouldn't work because they would screw it up. They shouldn't be citizens because they aren't worthy of being Americans." He never said anything close to any of that.

    His words were rhetorical, same as the words of that black man with the fancy Princeton degrees who was trying to make a point who I posted about earlier.

    I wonder whether it isn't better for the Warren Jeffs-affiliated Mormon preteen girls to be hookers than to be married to smelly old men old enough to be their grandfathers. Does that mean I hate Mormon girls? Am I prejudiced against Mormon girls? Am I advocating sending them into a life of prostitution? Or do I maybe feel that one lousy life is as bad as or worse than another lousy life because I *think* that they are victims of people who don't treat them as I would?

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, what he said was the federal government is overly oppressive. He won't clarify it because he already has clarified it.

    Racist comments would be "I hate black people. They aren't as smart as whites. They shouldn't work because they would screw it up. They shouldn't be citizens because they aren't worthy of being Americans." He never said anything close to any of that.

    His words were rhetorical, same as the words of that black man with the fancy Princeton degrees who was trying to make a point who I posted about earlier.

    I wonder whether it isn't better for the Warren Jeffs-affiliated Mormon preteen girls to be hookers than to be married to smelly old men old enough to be their grandfathers. Does that mean I hate Mormon girls? Am I prejudiced against Mormon girls? Am I advocating sending them into a life of prostitution? Or do I maybe feel that one lousy life is as bad as or worse than another lousy life because I *think* that they are victims of people who don't treat them as I would?
    What he said was racist, what he said was plenty enough to be racist.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, what he said was the federal government is overly oppressive. He won't clarify it because he already has clarified it.

    Racist comments would be "I hate black people. They aren't as smart as whites. They shouldn't work because they would screw it up. They shouldn't be citizens because they aren't worthy of being Americans." He never said anything close to any of that.

    His words were rhetorical, same as the words of that black man with the fancy Princeton degrees who was trying to make a point who I posted about earlier.

    I wonder whether it isn't better for the Warren Jeffs-affiliated Mormon preteen girls to be hookers than to be married to smelly old men old enough to be their grandfathers. Does that mean I hate Mormon girls? Am I prejudiced against Mormon girls? Am I advocating sending them into a life of prostitution? Or do I maybe feel that one lousy life is as bad as or worse than another lousy life because I *think* that they are victims of people who don't treat them as I would?
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    Exactly. He knew his remarks were criticized as being racist when he said that he wondered whether blacks were better off as slaves. He had the opportunity to clarify what he meant and his response was that his previous statement was exactly right.

    Which makes me think that what he said was racist.
    Holy ****.
    He was making a comparison and was based on what he thought he knew of a specific aspect of their condition. (Which happens to be faulty.)
    That in no way makes a person a racist, especially as he is expressing concern of their condition as he sees it under welfare.
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