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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
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    …” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.

    We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

    Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.

    When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.

    And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

    You know they didn’t get more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.

    Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.

    Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.

    And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.
    Saying blacks have more freedom as slaves than they did being freed from slavery is either incredibly racist or is incredibly ignorant - take your pick.

    Also, there are many, many whites, Hispanics, and people of other ethnicities on welfare. So, by singling out African-Americans, that is again, either racist or ignorant - take your pick.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    In his mind, the government is the most oppressive entity/person that ever existed/lived.
    I think we can both agree that he is wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I saw one of those true crime shows once, where a little girl was kidnapped by a sexual monster. After months of not knowing where she was, the mother said "I would rather my daughter be dead than be raped & tortured every day by that sadist." Now, do you think that meant she wanted her daughter dead? Did she hate her daughter? No, in her mind, death (a very bad choice) was preferable to the other horror, another bad choice.
    Ted Nugent once said "... I will be either dead or in jail if Obama is re-elected..."
    At last check, Teddy boy is still alive and enjoying his freedom...
    I'll bet he wishes he could take that one back.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by The Penguin View Post
    Explain to me the context, then. Because I read the quote you posted in full and even in context, it's racist.
    No it isn't. Show me where he said his race was better than other races.
    He said nothing racist.
    Nor was anything he said prejudicial.
    He spoke specifically of the deleterious effect the welfare state has had on the negro.
    You keep ignoring that to make false claims of racism.

    Just as you ignore how he prefaced his comments.


    "We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way."

    Those are not the comments of a racist.
    Especially as I am sure that actual racists wouldn't mind if we go back to those days.
    So stop with your absurd claims.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Penguin View Post
    It's not unresolved. The US Courts have upheld the BLM. Bundy is a welfare queen and you are a welfare enabler for defending him.
    Stop telling untruths.
    It is not resolved as it is still disputed.
    And not one Court has called him a welfare queen. So stop these addition irrational thoughts.
    And finally, I doubt no, from what I have seen you are not capable of understanding the intricacies involved with the law here to even have a rational debate about it.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Penguin View Post
    So what???? If you improve your apartment you still have to pay rent. Moocher!
    Yeah, That is what I thought. You don't have a rational thought in you and are incapable of understand the intricacies involved. All you want to do is pass irrational dispersions upon folks.
    Truly a shame.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Penguin View Post
    So then why post that video at all? That's my question. If you think that Bundy paying some guy to say something nice about him isn't complete BS, then I don't know what to say to you.
    Oh looky loo.
    More irrational false statements by you.

    Show he is paying him to say nice things about him.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Penguin View Post
    The bodyguard is going to defend Bundy because that's his job. So whether or not he thinks Bundy is racist comes with the inconvenient caveat that Bundy pays his salary.
    Physical defense is different from verbal defense.
    And again, show he is lying. You can't.
    Insinuating he is, is not a valid or rational argument.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Penguin View Post
    Ah, so it's compassionate to think that blacks should learn how to pick cotton. I see.
    More irrationality from you figures.
    Are you really that uneducated not to know he is speaking of the work ethic? Which is not taught by being on welfare.
    Are you really that much of a racially closed minded bigot to think such?


    Quote Originally Posted by The Penguin View Post
    They're not false claims, they are actual racism. Bundy is a racist. That's why Conservatives have started condemning him as racist...because they don't want to be associated with that overt racism. Conservatives prefer their racism a little more subtle.
    Wrong. You are so irrational that now you are trying to paint conservatives as such.
    Sorry, your espoused irrational idiocy is just that.


    Quote Originally Posted by The Penguin View Post
    Yes, he is a racist. I understand that. It's loud and clear. The only thing missing from Bundy in that video is a white hood. Maybe a burning cross.
    As you are wrong. If you really think that, your thoughts are convoluted and not based in reality.
    Last edited by Excon; 04-28-14 at 07:44 PM.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    I think we can both agree that he is wrong.


    Ted Nugent once said "... I will be either dead or in jail if Obama is re-elected..."
    At last check, Teddy boy is still alive and enjoying his freedom...
    I'll bet he wishes he could take that one back.
    I agree that Bundy is wrong when he says government oppression is as bad as slavery. That doesn't make him a racist though.

    Maybe Ted Nugent is waiting for George Soros to join the monastery he promised to join if Bush won before he makes any plans to kill himself. At last check, Georgie boy is still running amok.

    Rhetoric. It's everywhere.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    Saying blacks have more freedom as slaves than they did being freed from slavery is either incredibly racist or is incredibly ignorant - take your pick.

    Also, there are many, many whites, Hispanics, and people of other ethnicities on welfare. So, by singling out African-Americans, that is again, either racist or ignorant - take your pick.
    Oh look another that has no clue as to what he said.
    Oh wait, you are not another. You were already shown to be wrong.
    His words were not racist.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    Saying blacks have more freedom as slaves than they did being freed from slavery is either incredibly racist or is incredibly ignorant - take your pick.

    Also, there are many, many whites, Hispanics, and people of other ethnicities on welfare. So, by singling out African-Americans, that is again, either racist or ignorant - take your pick.
    So if his answer is "ignorant", you'll agree with him and say Bundy is ignorant, not a racist?

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    g.


    Ted Nugent once said "... I will be either dead or in jail if Obama is re-elected..."
    At last check, Teddy boy is still alive and enjoying his freedom...
    I'll bet he wishes he could take that one back.
    There's still plenty of time, he never said it would be immediate.


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    This issue has been plowed more times than Paris Hilton.
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    Too bad we have to observe human rights.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    This is so sad.
    The guy is clearly concerned for the state of other races, and many want to demonize him for voicing it.

    Truly pathetic.
    Last edited by Excon; 04-28-14 at 07:45 PM.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So if his answer is "ignorant", you'll agree with him and say Bundy is ignorant, not a racist?
    I'm saying from the full-transcript of what he said, those are the two conclusions that once can logically come up with.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    I'm saying from the full-transcript of what he said, those are the two conclusions that once can logically come up with.
    So if the answer is "ignorant" does that mean he's not racist?

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