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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by herenow1 View Post
    How did he get on this topic? I didn't get the before and after. Not that it matters but I'd like to know why he went there.
    I wondered that, too. Nobody seems to have an answer.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    See...there ya go. I dont expect you to, and I dont give enough of a **** about your opinion to dig through 556 posts FOR you...so...here we are.
    All you've said is that there were other options....you never said what they were or what you would do differently. I checked. So what are these mysterious other options that would have made Bundy either pay his grazing fees or remove his cattle? A lien isn't going to work for reasons I stated earlier to another poster, Tres.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    The fees are only a $1.35 per head of cattle. That's not too much to ask considering that cattle sell for over $1000 a head. No rancher or farmer would let another rancher graze his land for free, so why should the public that own the federal lands let Bundy graze his cows on their land for free?
    Seen the cost of beef at the grocery store lately? The freaking gov wastes and takes enough of our money. And if it's public land, then give the grazing fee's back to the public.

    I like your idea that he should take a Civil Rights class. But if Bundy doesn't believe in the federal government then he probably doesn't believe in the Emancipation Proclamation which means he probably doesn't believe in the Civil Rights Act either. And if the class is sponsored by the federal government, I don't think he'd show up, anyway. But it is fun to think about. lol
    Yea, I agree he's a moron, and though he's shown little knowledge or sympathy for the plight of African Americans, according to our laws of free speech, he's allowed to say ignorant racist comments. I'm not a big fan of the way our Federal government lately is treating its citizens, as though we work for them and owe them something. They have no problem giving huge corporations subsidies and bailing out failing banks, insurance and car companies for hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars.

    It seems like there's a war on the middle class from the Feds to the mega-corporations.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Sure, just like joining a thread is "butting in" and asking you a question is "jumping all over you" pointing out that you don't understand what hypocrisy actually means, is because I can't follow a conversation! That I somehow am supposed to have "started" when you asked VanceMack your original meaningless question. Now asking you a question is supposed to mean I'm "demanding" you do something. Talk about over acting. You appear to be a delicately balanced jangle of raw nerves, perceiving persecution and attacks from perfectly common place events and questions in a forum made for that purpose. The heat in the kitchen and all that Moot.
    You've been squealing and hollering at me for ignoring your post #504 for a little too long. That was the post you wanted me to respond to, wasn't it? I'm going to let you in on a little secret .......

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063204336

    I think you owe me an apology.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Was it off limits to grazing or off limits for the round up?

    No, actually, it's how ranchers and BLM or Forest Service controlled herds to keep them in or out of certain areas. The use of aircraft is used for spotting strays and groups which have broken off from the herd, and those positions are radioed to people on horseback or ATV's who participate in roundups. It's much easier doing it that way than scouring vast countryside on horseback or vehicle.

    But, if the BLM wishes to, they could erect fences to keep cattle out of areas that are not designated graze land, like the land that the desert turtle is using as it's habitat.

    I have seen department of forest in NM fencing off land, and using gates to allow vehicles access in and out when cattle guards were not used, and they post signs stating when you're entering federal land. I don't have a photo of that, but I do have a photo of my jeep leaving federal land with fence and barbed wire.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    Funny as you already know I am not. And you know you are hearing only what you want to hear.
    Not what was actually said or meant.

    Content and context matter.
    What he said was not racist.


    …” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.

    We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

    Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.

    When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.

    And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

    You know they didn’t get more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.



    I'll chosen words to express himself? Sure.
    But not racist, racial or even prejudiced.

    Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.

    Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.

    And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.
    See the part I put in bold red;

    This guy has a lot to talk about doesn't he? About government subsidies. I wonder how many times he's used government subsidies which are available to cattle ranchers? Isn't receiving cheap grazing from the government a subsidy in itself? Lord knows it's cheaper than buying feed for the 1000 head he owns.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Seen the cost of beef at the grocery store lately? The freaking gov wastes and takes enough of our money. And if it's public land, then give the grazing fee's back to the public.
    Have you seen what it cost to stop an outbreak of e-coli or some other cow/beef related disease? The money to protect consumers and the beef industry has to come from somewhere.

    Yea, I agree he's a moron, and though he's shown little knowledge or sympathy for the plight of African Americans, according to our laws of free speech, he's allowed to say ignorant racist comments. I'm not a big fan of the way our Federal government lately is treating its citizens, as though we work for them and owe them something. They have no problem giving huge corporations subsidies and bailing out failing banks, insurance and car companies for hundreds of billions of tax payer dollars.

    It seems like there's a war on the middle class from the Feds to the mega-corporations.
    I understand. Personally, I think we get the kind of government we deserve. The more corrupt the public is....the more corrupt the government is. So if people don't like their government....they can start by changing themselves and society...because that's where our government comes from. The government is the people or the people are the government. That's the way I look at it, anyway. May not be right...but it works for me.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You've been squealing and hollering at me for ignoring your post #504 for a little too long. That was the post you wanted me to respond to, wasn't it? I'm going to let you in on a little secret .......

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaki...post1063204336

    I think you owe me an apology.
    Now you are adding "screaming and hollering" to the list of your deductions? Such as joining a thread is "butting in" and asking a question is "attacking" and "insulting" you or trying to "moderate you" in rule breaking fashion. Your persecution complex is quite a raging one huh? Don't let the lack of any screaming or ALL CAP rants prevent you from acting otherwise now do you? Is it just a nervous condition or a pathology that you just pretend you don't know you are acting out?

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Have you seen what it cost to stop an outbreak of e-coli or some other cow/beef related disease? The money to protect consumers and the beef industry has to come from somewhere.

    I understand. Personally, I think we get the kind of government we deserve. The more corrupt the public is....the more corrupt the government is. So if people don't like their government....they can start by changing themselves and society...because that's where our government comes from. The government is the people or the people are the government. That's the way I look at it, anyway. May not be right...but it works for me.
    Hey, I criticize our elected officials but they're still the best leadership money can buy. Seriously, our system isn't that broken or we wouldn't be the envy of the world.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    No, actually, it's how ranchers and BLM or Forest Service controlled herds to keep them in or out of certain areas. The use of aircraft is used for spotting strays and groups which have broken off from the herd, and those positions are radioed to people on horseback or ATV's who participate in roundups. It's much easier doing it that way than scouring vast countryside on horseback or vehicle.

    But, if the BLM wishes to, they could erect fences to keep cattle out of areas that are not designated graze land, like the land that the desert turtle is using as it's habitat.

    I have seen department of forest in NM fencing off land, and using gates to allow vehicles access in and out when cattle guards were not used, and they post signs stating when you're entering federal land. I don't have a photo of that, but I do have a photo of my jeep leaving federal land with fence and barbed wire.
    I'm by no means an expert on turtles but as I understand it the endangered turtles in question actually eat cow dung. I know, eww. So its not a question of letting cows graze at all on the land, but rather limiting the number of cows to prevent land degradation that turtles live on and to prevent over grazing. Fences.....how do we know there aren't fences already and Bundy just lets them out when he rounds up a few head for auction? His cows are branded.
    Last edited by Moot; 04-28-14 at 07:16 AM.

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