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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    So you butted in to a discussion that had nothing to do with you and failed to read the post I was responding to. Iow, you took what I said out of context and are now trying to make me defend your strawman. Got it.

    ...and you still don't get it.


    Well, "if you can't take the heat....."
    Actually I asked you asked a direct question and you just avoided it. For a really really long time. As well as flung in all the hyperbole about insults, harassment and supposed moderation to accentuate how desperatly angry obvious questions make you. But sure, jumping into a thread on a message board is "butting in" now.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Actually he's right on the money. Blacks have simply exchanged one form of slavory for another.
    That's insane. Being bought and sold on an open market, wholly owned by another human being, and being on welfare aren't even remotely in the same ballpark.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Actually I asked you asked a direct question and you just avoided it. For a really really long time. As well as flung in all the hyperbole about insults, harassment and supposed moderation to accentuate how desperatly angry obvious questions make you. But sure, jumping into a thread on a message board is "butting in" now.
    You mean just like when I asked Vancemac to answer my question and you jumped all over me for even daring to ask? Now here you are demanding that I answer your question? Really? That's true hypocrisy in action.

    Soo, if Vance doesn't have to answer my question then I see no reason why I should have to answer yours,... Filthy.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    You mean just like when I asked Vancemac to answer my question and you jumped all over me for even daring to ask? Now here you are demanding I that I answer your question? That's true hypocrisy in action.
    No that's not what I mean at all, how did you ever manage to come to that conclusion? Probably the same way you came to the conclusion joining a thread is "butting in" and asking you a question is "jumping all over you". Same goes for attacking you, trying to moderate you and what else was it I was supposed to be doing? Oh yeah, harass you! At the end of the day, the answer is really that of course that regardless how VanceMack might care to handle the situation, BLM had other options they could have exercised. No idea why you were so invested in pretending otherwise, much less all the BS you tried repeatedly with your poor victim of evil harassment and insults filler material. Which is probably why you are now claiming I'm supposed to be acting hypocritically, only you don't really seem to understand what that word means. At this point I can't say I'm surprised.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by reconmark View Post
    Funny, aren't you missing something??...oh yeah. "The Negro would be better served as slaves picking cotton"...lol.
    Right, nothing racist there..lol!!!
    Funny as you already know I am not. And you know you are hearing only what you want to hear.
    Not what was actually said or meant.

    Content and context matter.
    What he said was not racist.


    …” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.

    We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.

    Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.

    When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.

    And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?

    You know they didn’t get more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.



    I'll chosen words to express himself? Sure.
    But not racist, racial or even prejudiced.

    Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.

    Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.

    And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I read a transcript of that first video, after listening to the same audio.

    I still think the remarks were at the least unknowingly racist. Intentionally I'm not so sure about.

    He assumes things about how black people live (and to a lesser extent, "Mexicans"). Due to those assumptions, he makes racist remarks that I suspect he doesn't even realize are racist.
    He made no racist remark.
    Show where anything said says he thinks his race is better than another. Can't do it can you?

    He made no racist remark.


    I'll chosen words to express himself? Sure.
    But not racist, racial or even prejudiced.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Other than Bundy being an obvious jerk, he has a right to try and make the government honor a prior commitment, though not with armed resistance, maybe a demonstration.

    Personally, I think Cliven should pay his grazing fees and take a class on civil rights. Though the government is a little ridiculous the way they used such a heavy handed method, and not to try and help ranchers more by lowering the cost of fees.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    No that's not what I mean at all, how did you ever manage to come to that conclusion? Probably the same way you came to the conclusion joining a thread is "butting in" and asking you a question is "jumping all over you". Same goes for attacking you, trying to moderate you and what else was it I was supposed to be doing? Oh yeah, harass you! At the end of the day, the answer is really that of course that regardless how VanceMack might care to handle the situation, BLM had other options they could have exercised. No idea why you were so invested in pretending otherwise, much less all the BS you tried repeatedly with your poor victim of evil harassment and insults filler material. Which is probably why you are now claiming I'm supposed to be acting hypocritically, only you don't really seem to understand what that word means. At this point I can't say I'm surprised.
    What's the matter, can't you follow a stupid, irrelevant discussion...that you started?

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What's the matter, can't you follow a stupid, irrelevant discussion...that you started?
    Sure, just like joining a thread is "butting in" and asking you a question is "jumping all over you" pointing out that you don't understand what hypocrisy actually means, is because I can't follow a conversation! That I somehow am supposed to have "started" when you asked VanceMack your original meaningless question. Now asking you a question is supposed to mean I'm "demanding" you do something. Talk about over acting. You appear to be a delicately balanced jangle of raw nerves, perceiving persecution and attacks from perfectly common place events and questions in a forum made for that purpose. The heat in the kitchen and all that Moot.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by grip View Post
    Other than Bundy being an obvious jerk, he has a right to try and make the government honor a prior commitment, though not with armed resistance, maybe a demonstration.

    Personally, I think Cliven should pay his grazing fees and take a class on civil rights. Though the government is a little ridiculous the way they used such a heavy handed method, and not to try and help ranchers more by lowering the cost of fees.
    The fees are only a $1.35 per head of cattle. That's not too much to ask considering that cattle sell for over $1000 a head. No rancher or farmer would let another rancher graze his land for free, so why should the public that own the federal lands let Bundy graze his cows on their land for free?

    I like your idea that he should take a Civil Rights class. But if Bundy doesn't believe in the federal government then he probably doesn't believe in the Emancipation Proclamation which means he probably doesn't believe in the Civil Rights Act either. And if the class is sponsored by the federal government, I don't think he'd show up, anyway. But it is fun to think about. lol

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