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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

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    The BLM can only enforce liens. They can't actually perfect liens.

    The failure here when it comes to the money owed was the US government's failure. They should have placed a lien on his property and frozen his bank accounts, but they didn't.
    That still doesn't solve the problem of getting his cows off federal land.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

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    That still doesn't solve the problem of getting his cows off federal land.
    Cowboys hired by the fed, and barbed wire fence crew, by federal order.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

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    That still doesn't solve the problem of getting his cows off federal land.
    Why the concern over the cattle on the land?

    He'll end up paying the money somehow because Uncle Sam is more powerful than any single citizen, with or without armed friends.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

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    Cowboys hired by the fed, and barbed wire fence crew, by federal order.
    I'm not a fan of the idea of putting up barbed wire anywhere.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

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    Cowboys hired by the fed, and barbed wire fence crew, by federal order.
    It's open range and other ranchers who do have permits use that land as well.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

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    Well, when you're the head of a federal agency, and you're forewarned of possible or impending trouble with an armed group of people, you must show up being prepared.

    With that being said, the BLM and federal agents showed up with a handful of people. The first thing I would have done would have been to clear that overpass where the militia sniper was positioned, and placed federal agents in their place. Yepper, hindsight is always 20/20. If I would have been in charge of that operation, I would have handled the situation much differently.
    So which is it? The BLM initially showed up with only a handful of people or with a armed group of people because they were forewarned? Both can't be the case. Given that info before hand, the option to handle the situation differently could have been exercised. Particularly if they knew ahead of time there would be trouble. The public is still sensitive to anything looking like Ruby Ridge and Waco and this show of force played right into it. And backfired on them.

    In the end, they will get what they are owed and by methods they should have just utilized in the first place.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Why the concern over the cattle on the land?
    Where Bundy's cows are concerned it's called 'free loading'.


    He'll end up paying the money somehow because Uncle Sam is more powerful than any single citizen, with or without armed friends.
    I suppose they could put a lien on his land but unless he tries to sell it, which seems unlikely...it probably won't effect him at all.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Where Bundy's cows are concerned it's called free loading.




    I suppose they can put a lien on his land but unless he tries to sell it, which seems unlikely...it probably won't effect him at all.
    Meh, I guess I really don't care about his cows being on the land. It's not like anyone else needed to use it, and in the grand scheme of things, it's so tiny.

    The lien may not affect him, but it would affect his heirs as the title couldn't be transferred with an encumbrance on it.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    I just suggested a course of action in# 495 that the BLM uses frequently. That was kicked around by sources such as NPR, CNN and even MSNBC. Hardly right wing or conservative outlets. The consensus among most reasonable people is that this situation could obviously have been handled better and in a multitude of other ways. Why pretend otherwise?
    That's quite fascinating. A multitude of other ways, huh. You are treating this like a logical man that has a gripe with the US government. In my opinion, I personally believe that you can't discuss logic with a man that is prepared to do the following:

    Oath Keeper Richard Mack told Fox News in an interview today that if the Bundy Ranch standoff had continued, or if federal agents started shooting, they planned to put women in front of the men in order to generate sympathy and publicity.
    Yeah, that's right, Richard Mack; the same man that collaborated with white supremacist Randy Weaver on a book. Cliven Bundy associates with people like that and then has the audacity to use Martin Luther King as part of a winning argument on what he thinks about Blacks and how he thinks that Martin Luther King's job is not finished? Yeah, OK.

    I believe that no matter the way the ordeal would've been handled, Cliven Bundy and his bunch would make sure it would be nasty.

    Seriously. Use women as a point of favoritism to get sympathy. Didn't Al-Qaeda use women and children as shields? And someone thinks there are reasonable methods to deal with these people; that's hard to believe.


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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Meh, I guess I really don't care about his cows being on the land. It's not like anyone else needed to use it, and in the grand scheme of things, it's so tiny.
    For a lot of people it's not about Bundy's cows but rather in preserving an endangered tortoise and rare vegetation that if overgrazed is gone forever. It's not just desert....there's a huge underground lake under Clarke county and so it is my understanding that there are other people who want to use that land and willing to pay for it, but they can't until Bundy's cows are removed.

    The lien may not affect him, but it would affect his heirs as the title couldn't be transferred with an encumbrance on it
    Hence the option to wait until he dies....and judging by that belly of his...it might not be that long of a wait.

    But what if his land is already deeded to his heirs? He does have quite a large family and they seem just as ignorant as the old man.
    Last edited by Moot; 04-27-14 at 07:59 PM.

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