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    re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

    Sometimes, having a debate here is like shooting big fish in a small barrel with a large gun.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The Feds can put a lien on his property & freeze his bank accounts.
    That's about it in a nutshell. People here seem to think the BLM can cut corners and not have to use the court system to go after people who violate federal laws. Some are still of the belief that the BLM can arbitrarily or unilaterally place liens upon a person's property, and we know better, don't we tres borrachos.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    No, the BLM doesn't file liens.

    The BLM is strictly an enforcement & investigatory agency which reports to the federal government and submits evidence to a federal prosecutor, requests for liens are filed by the federal government, and the courts review evidence presented BY the BLM and federal prosecutor, and review the amounts owed TO the federal government, make decisions, and hand down judgements.

    You put the horse before the cart.
    Well then as the young ones say, my bad! Poor wording on my part, however this does not alter my point and the fact that this is a viable and frequently used method the BLM takes advantage of and has for some time. And is only one of many possible ways the stated goals of the BLM with regard to the Bundy case could have been accomplished. The desire to grand stand and make a strong show of force was the choice they opted for instead. Hindsight being 20/20 it was the wrong choice and managed to cost several times the amount of money used as justification for the whole boondoggle. What a sorry state of affairs.

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    re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Sometimes, having a debate here is like shooting big fish in a small barrel with a large gun.
    I can see why people have fear of government agencies, they just don't understand how the government really works. I believe we both, along with another member drained the fish barrel, what say you?

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    That's about it in a nutshell. People here seem to think the BLM can cut corners and not have to use the court system to go after people who violate federal laws. Some are still of the belief that the BLM can arbitrarily or unilaterally place liens upon a person's property, and we know better, don't we tres borrachos.
    The BLM can only enforce liens. They can't actually perfect liens.

    The failure here when it comes to the money owed was the US government's failure. They should have placed a lien on his property and frozen his bank accounts, but they didn't.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The BLM can only enforce liens. They can't actually perfect liens.

    The failure here when it comes to the money owed was the US government's failure. They should have placed a lien on his property and frozen his bank accounts, but they didn't.
    And again, this is only one way the situation could have been handled as far as Bundy's debt is concerned. BLM has handled situations like this before, seems the show of force mindset won out this time.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    Well then as the young ones say, my bad. Poor wording on my part, however this does not alter my point and the fact that this is a viable and frequently used method the BLM takes advantage of and has for some time. And is only one of many possible ways the stated goals of the BLM with regard to the Bundy case could have been accomplished. The desire to grand stand and make a strong show of force was the choice they opted for instead. Hindsight being 20/20 it was the wrong choice and managed to cost several times the amount of money used as justification for the whole affair. What a sorry state of affairs.
    Well, when you're the head of a federal agency, and you're forewarned of possible or impending trouble with an armed group of people, you must show up being prepared.

    With that being said, the BLM and federal agents showed up with a handful of people. The first thing I would have done would have been to clear that overpass where the militia sniper was positioned, and placed federal agents in their place. Yepper, hindsight is always 20/20. If I would have been in charge of that operation, I would have handled the situation much differently.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    That's the $1 million question.
    A head of cattle sells for $1000. Apparently, Bundy has over 1200 head on federal land. By removing the cattle and selling them at auction the feds would have solved two problems at once. Bundy had a court order not to interfere with the round up....instead he declared a range war and called in the militia. Ignoring that court order should land him in jail.

    The reason Bundy refused to pay the federal land use fees is because he claims the land belongs to the state of Nevada and he didn't think he should have to pay a federal tax of $1.35 per head of cattle for using state land to graze his cows. Originally he only had about 400 or 500 head on federal land....but over the years he expanded and now has well over 1200. That's not fair to the ranchers who do pay their taxes and don't over graze the land.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    The BLM can only enforce liens. They can't actually perfect liens.

    The failure here when it comes to the money owed was the US government's failure. They should have placed a lien on his property and frozen his bank accounts, but they didn't.
    Exactly.

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    re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

    Quote Originally Posted by AJiveMan View Post
    I can see why people have fear of government agencies, they just don't understand how the government really works. I believe we both, along with another member drained the fish barrel, what say you?
    Heck,the fish stopped flopping a long time ago....
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