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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    He et. al. have already explained that the smart thing to do would be to place a lien on Bundy's property. How hard is that to understand?

    Surely, you're not suggesting that the BLM-ocrats had a good idea?
    I could be wrong but I think only the state can put a lien on someone's property....and that's usually for not paying property taxes...not federal land use fees.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ive listed numerous ways several times. But lets assume for a second you are right and gosh...that was it. They just took their best shot...the ONLY option...and they got ****ed. NOW what?

    But...really...you believe THAT was their best and only option?
    Then please tell me what post # and I'll be happy to look at it.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    He does not have to, there are after all many many ways it could have been handled. They have been covered quite extensively in the press, both in print as well as TV and radio. As in thousands of discussions and reporting on the story. Are you unable to follow any of it at all, or does it just have to be how VanceMack would himself have done it? Why? What does that matter in any way whatsoever? Because you have personal thing going for him? Or have you chosen to pretend that there was no other course and this has not been well documented and reported on?
    I adore your user name. Sorry for going off topic.

    And you're right that there were many other and better ways this all could have been handled.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Or at least get their talking points squared away.

    The sad thing is they ahve really kinda painted themselves into an ugly little box. In their kneejerk rush to defend all things Obama, they have INSISTED that...well...golly...its been 20 years...and...what other choice did they have OTHER than to escalate this? Can you think of another choice? There WAS no other choice (oh...and I'll add in moots "besides...its REALLY George Bush's fault!").

    And the problem is...it DIDNT WORK. The BEST they could think to do...failed. So...well...damn...NOW what? If they do ANYTHING differently well...sonofabitch...turns out there were maybe other alternatives AFTER all...who knew. And if they WORK? well........errrrrrmmmmm....

    And the simple fact that THIS is how they endorse problem resolution...well...that certainly explains the embarrassment that is our current foreign policy.

    I dont know...maybe another "line in the sand"....
    In all fairness, they get their talking points from Daily KOS and there may be a dicimination issue.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I could be wrong but I think only the state can put a lien on someone's property....and that's usually for not paying property taxes...not federal land use fees.
    The BLM "could" use liens all the time. And the BLM "could" have been doing it for decades. But then you "could" be right and everyone else wrong. But in fact there is no maybe, you are wrong. Amazingly you have been acting as if you actually knew what you were talking about, before that admission.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You are wrong as usual. It isn't racist.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I adore your user name. Sorry for going off topic.

    And you're right that there were many other and better ways this all could have been handled.
    Can't take credit for it, belongs to Horace Silver!

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In all fairness, they get their talking points from Daily KOS and there may be a dicimination issue.
    dicimination?

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    The BLM "could" use liens all the time. And the BLM "could" have been doing it for decades. But then you "could" be right and everyone else wrong. But in fact there is no maybe, you are wrong. Amazingly you have been acting as if you actually knew what you were talking about, before that admission.
    Then why didn't they put a lien on his property years ago?

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    re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If the BLM doesnt have legal authorization as a law enforcement agency/police force, then yes, it's unlawful. Can you show us its authorization?
    YES.
    Law Enforcement

    Law Enforcement

    LAW ENFORCEMENT
    The BLM fields a force of approximately 200 Law Enforcement Rangers (uniformed officers) and 70 Special Agents (criminal investigators) who enforce a wide range of laws and regulations in the prevention, detection, and investigation of crimes affecting public lands resources. These crimes include mineral resource theft; wilderness area violations; hazardous materials dumping; archaeological and paleontological resource theft and vandalism; cultivation, manufacture, smuggling, and use of illegal drugs; timber, forest product, and native plant theft; off-highway vehicle use; alcohol related crimes; and wildland arson.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bureau_of_Land_Management
    The BLM Office of Law Enforcement & Security, headquartered in Washington, D.C., is a federal law enforcement agency of the U.S. government. All Law Enforcement Rangers and Special Agents receive their training through Federal Law Enforcement Training Center (FLETC). Law Enforcement Rangers attend the Land Management Police Training (LMPT) academy at FLTEC, while BLM Special Agents attend the Criminal Investigator Training Program (CITP) at FLETC.[citation needed]
    BLM Law Enforcement Rangers and Special Agents make up the law enforcement capability of the BLM. Rangers and Special Agents are located in each of the western states that have BLM lands. Law Enforcement Rangers make up the uniformed high visibility enforcement of laws. Special Agents investigate crimes against property, visitors and employees.[citation needed]
    Uniformed Law Enforcement Rangers enforce Federal laws and regulations governing BLM lands and resources. Law Enforcement Rangers also enforce some or all state laws on BLM lands. As part of that mission Law Enforcement Rangers carry firearms, defensive equipment, make arrests, execute search warrants, complete reports and testify in court. They establish a regular and recurring presence on a vast amount of public lands, roads, and recreation sites. The primary focus of their jobs is the protection of natural resources, protection of BLM employees and the protection of visitors. They use K-9s, helicopters, snowmobiles, dirt bikes and boats to perform their duties.[citation needed]
    Special Agents are criminal investigators who plan and conduct investigations concerning possible violations of criminal and administrative provisions of the BLM and other statutes under the United States Code. Special agents are normally plain clothes officers who carry concealed firearms, and other defensive equipment, make arrests, carry out complex criminal investigations, present cases for prosecution to U.S. Attorneys, and prepare investigative reports. Criminal investigators occasionally conduct internal and civil claim investigations
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