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    re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I camt prove a negative, but youre welcome to prove that theey have the authority to collect a debt, under arms. Good luck!
    So, when you said it was unlawful, that was just your opinion, not based on any actual law that you could produce.

    Just wanted to get that straight, and on record. So, there is no actual, concrete law that you can cite to back what we now know is your opinion that what the BLM did was unlawful.

    It is OK for you to have that opinion, however you have not been able to offer up any proof to it being a correct opinion.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    It is awesome to hear those that espouse all the things Bundy believes react in disbelief that the world outside internet forums see his language as racist.

    ..."but nothing he said was racist"
    You seem to be confused as nothing he said was racist. All referenced spectrums have folk who know that.
    Listen to his full unedited words. Content and context matter. They were not racist.


    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I see you are not paying attention to the full content and context of his statements.
    Or that of his body guard.




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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you see any fees collected or just greater cost following that failed attempt at debt collection? Just how much do you think it costs to send in contracted cowboys, armed BLM agents, state and locals...etc?

    But hey...at least it got the job done right? Oh...wait...no...they couldnt even do THAT right.

    Maybe next time they could send in the 'real' army. Call in a drone strike or two. Hey...screw them...right? They deserve it. Maybe wiseone could lead the charge. Hell...they might even let you join in...you are both all about it.
    I think everyone who applauds this stupidity should arm themselves and join ranks with BLM next time.
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    "It is getting to the point that using Asian can be found to be offensive."

    There is no equivocation in what I said.
    It is getting to that point.
    Okay, I see what you're trying to say now. Thanks for being patient.

    There's been so many politically correct name changes it wouldn't surprise me if it did.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Ultimately that IS the point. Its not about whether or not Bundy is a 'hero' (he isnt) or the debt is just (it is)...it is about just how horribly screwed up and mismanaged this debacle was.
    I agree. One of the most obvious options is one the BLM knows and practices with regularity, when not choosing to put on some field kabuki. They wait as they often do, until Bundy kicks off from this mortal coil and then they move in and seize the land with a lien and wallah, they get everything. This was brought up on NPR very early in the standoff. All on the panel seemed to agree that the government wanted to grand stand and make an example of Bundy. So this was the outcome of that strategery. Now we have this story coming out of Texas where the BLM is trying to jump in and seize land from a private citizen and from the state. It seems to me that the BLM is oblivious to the concept that they might be acting in a rather concerning manner to we the citizens.

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    re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    So, when you said it was unlawful, that was just your opinion, not based on any actual law that you could produce.

    Just wanted to get that straight, and on record. So, there is no actual, concrete law that you can cite to back what we now know is your opinion that what the BLM did was unlawful.

    It is OK for you to have that opinion, however you have not been able to offer up any proof to it being a correct opinion.
    If the BLM doesnt have legal authorization as a law enforcement agency/police force, then yes, it's unlawful. Can you show us its authorization?
    Quote Originally Posted by americanwoman View Post
    So there is absolutely no evidence this woman, whom you called a slut, did this but you are ready to take someone's word as evidence. Guess you don't think witch hunts have to end when it's going after the certain people.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Actually, it was your fellow liberals that whined about you positing a lame hypothetical. I simply pointed out how stupid your lame hypothetical was. And now...comically...you cant even answer the hypothetical YOU posed.

    You're..something....
    No I don't think cops should use lethal force to collect unpaid traffic tickets, but my hypothetical wasn't that it was if a gang had taken over part of a city and had used the threat of force to prevent police from enforcing the law. OR what if a rancher had a million dollars in unpaid fines and him plus several hundred militia used threat of force to prevent police from enforcing any law.

    Personally I think the police would need to reestablish themselves in both cases.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    You seem to be confused as nothing he said was racist. All referenced spectrums have folk who know that.
    Listen to his full unedited words. Content and context matter. They were not racist.

    I agree with you. When I listened to the full interview, and tried to understand the context of his words, I came away with thinking he's a rambling old goat who was trying to very hard to make a point and he didn't do it well, but he's not a racist.

    Good luck getting others to agree though.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think everyone who applauds this stupidity should arm themselves and join ranks with BLM next time.
    Or at least get their talking points squared away.

    The sad thing is they ahve really kinda painted themselves into an ugly little box. In their kneejerk rush to defend all things Obama, they have INSISTED that...well...golly...its been 20 years...and...what other choice did they have OTHER than to escalate this? Can you think of another choice? There WAS no other choice (oh...and I'll add in moots "besides...its REALLY George Bush's fault!").

    And the problem is...it DIDNT WORK. The BEST they could think to do...failed. So...well...damn...NOW what? If they do ANYTHING differently well...sonofabitch...turns out there were maybe other alternatives AFTER all...who knew. And if they WORK? well........errrrrrmmmmm....

    And the simple fact that THIS is how they endorse problem resolution...well...that certainly explains the embarrassment that is our current foreign policy.

    I dont know...maybe another "line in the sand"....

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And the administration is STILL batting zero. Couldnt collect the debt, couldnt take the cows...but DID manage to bungle a simple conflict between one US citizen and the whole of the BLM. Did manage to run up greater expenses doing it. Did manage to look even more impotent and embarrassing than before.

    On a roll, baby.
    Yes, yes, we know...you would have preferred it turn out like WACO.

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