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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    I didn't see an army in any of those photos.
    Do you see any fees collected or just greater cost following that failed attempt at debt collection? Just how much do you think it costs to send in contracted cowboys, armed BLM agents, state and locals...etc?

    But hey...at least it got the job done right? Oh...wait...no...they couldnt even do THAT right.

    Maybe next time they could send in the 'real' army. Call in a drone strike or two. Hey...screw them...right? They deserve it. Maybe wiseone could lead the charge. Hell...they might even let you join in...you are both all about it.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

    Still having problems following what has been said even though you quote it.

    Figures.
    No, just having trouble understanding what you're trying to say. Are you saying "Asian" is offensive?

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    that (surprise!) is an old school racist.
    No one is defending a racist. Old school or otherwise.
    Content and context matter in what was said. He said nothing that is racist but that which was of compassion.

    You might try listening to what he said fully.
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    re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    You said what the BLM did was unlawful.

    I'm waiting for you to cite what laws they were in violation of, the actual laws, not just your opinion.
    I camt prove a negative, but youre welcome to prove that theey have the authority to collect a debt, under arms. Good luck!
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Im sorry they felt the need to send in an army of federal agents in the first place to collect a debt. Thats pathetic...almost as much pathetic as your continued defense of their actions.
    There are so many viable and far more intelligent ways this situation could have been handled that it borders on comical. Except of course we are talking about a bureaucracy. The decision was made to grand stand and make a overly strong show of force, it backfired in this instance. Last I checked the cost of this boondoggle far exceeded the debt owed, though how much of that was after the situation escalated I can't say. I don't think the powers that be figured on the backlash that came about from their choice to go this route, which they should have been mindful of after Ruby Ridge and Waco. The social media component of this story is fascinating to me, I don't much care for social media but use it for convenience to keep up with some family and friends. I could tell this was going to be BIG pretty early on just by how much I was seeing the story get play on FB alone. Particularly among some of my friends and family that work in the farming/ranching community in several states from coast to coast.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Do you see any fees collected or just greater cost following that failed attempt at debt collection? Just how much do you think it costs to send in contracted cowboys, armed BLM agents, state and locals...etc?

    But hey...at least it got the job done right? Oh...wait...no...they couldnt even do THAT right.

    Maybe next time they could send in the 'real' army. Call in a drone strike or two. Hey...screw them...right? They deserve it. Maybe wiseone could lead the charge. Hell...they might even let you join in...you are both all about it.
    Uh....the standoff was over the removal of Bundy's cows on federal land....not debt collection. Some people are thick but you're a mile wide.
    Last edited by Moot; 04-27-14 at 05:52 PM.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    No, just having trouble understanding what you're trying to say. Are you saying "Asian" is offensive?
    "It is getting to the point that using Asian can be found to be offensive."

    There is no equivocation in what I said.
    It is getting to that point.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Uh....the standoff was over the removal of Bundy's cows....not debt collection. Some people are thick but you're a mile wide.
    And the administration is STILL batting zero. Couldnt collect the debt, couldnt take the cows...but DID manage to bungle a simple conflict between one US citizen and the whole of the BLM. Did manage to run up greater expenses doing it. Did manage to look even more impotent and embarrassing than before.

    On a roll, baby.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Filthy McNasty View Post
    There are so many viable and far more intelligent ways this situation could have been handled that it borders on comical. Except of course we are talking about a bureaucracy. The decision was made to grand stand and make a overly strong show of force, it backfired in this instance. Last I checked the cost of this boondoggle far exceeded the debt owed, though how much of that was after the situation escalated I can't say. I don't think the powers that be figured on the backlash that came about from their choice to go this route, which they should have been mindful of after Ruby Ridge and Waco. The social media component of this story is fascinating to me, I don't much care for social media but use it for convenience to keep up with some family and friends. I could tell this was going to be BIG pretty early on just by how much I was seeing the story get play on FB alone. Particularly among some of my friends and family that work in the farming/ranching community in several states from coast to coast.
    Ultimately that IS the point. Its not about whether or not Bundy is a 'hero' (he isnt) or the debt is just (it is)...it is about just how horribly screwed up and mismanaged this debacle was.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    It is awesome to hear those that espouse all the things Bundy believes react in disbelief that the world outside internet forums see his language as racist.

    ..."but nothing he said was racist"


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