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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    A couple things:

    1. "About the negro" was used to explain what a dismal state black America is in and this can be directly related to government "programs". Read Colin Powell's biography or something from Sowell or Walter Williams... all come to similar conclusions.Government intrusion has made things massively worse.

    2. Your threshold for "racism" is pretty low, and when in put in context to his compassionate and respectful statement... fails.
    Tell me, where was your outrage with Obama's racist mentor?
    The question I asked about Bundy's preface to his speech "let me tell you something else about the Negro" ; "That kind of racist language does not bother you a bit, does it...?, was strictly rhetorical ...
    I was pretty sure that this kind of racist language wouldn't bother you at all ...
    I was correct...
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The question I asked about Bundy's preface to his speech "let me tell you something else about the Negro" ; "That kind of racist language does not bother you a bit, does it...?, was strictly rhetorical ...
    I was pretty sure that this kind of racist language wouldn't bother you at all ...
    I was correct...
    You are wrong as usual. It isn't racist.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

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    … what’s going on in white America, U.S. of KKKA …


    Who are these folks called again???
    At one time in this country 50% or more of Southern city, county, state and Federal elected officials were members of the Klan and passed legislation adverse to all minorities, what would you call that??..yes it was racist and not by Jerimiah Wright.


    Ku Klux Klan parades down Pennsylvania Ave 1928 - YouTube

    “There’s white racist DNA running through the synapses of his or her brain tissue. They will kill their own kind, defend the enemies of their kind or anyone who is perceived to be the enemy of the milky white way of life.”

    Do you have any idea of the number of Black people that went to college and were recruited by the FBI and CIA to spy on other Black people, gathering info that resulted in their deaths and destruction of personal lives?

    COINTELPRO anyone?
    COINTELPRO tactics are still used to this day, and have been alleged to include discrediting targets through psychological warfare; smearing individuals and groups using forged documents and by planting false reports in the media; harassment; wrongful imprisonment; and illegal violence, including assassination.[6][7][8] The FBI's stated motivation was "protecting national security, preventing violence, and maintaining the existing social and political order.[sic.]"[9]

    FBI records show that 85% of COINTELPRO resources targeted groups and individuals that the FBI deemed "subversive",[10] including communist and socialist organizations; organizations and individuals associated with the Civil Rights Movement, including Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and others associated with the Southern Christian Leadership Conference, the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, and the Congress of Racial Equality and other civil rights organizations; black nationalist groups; the American Indian Movement; a broad range of organizations labeled "New Left",

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    Black men turning on black men – that is fighting the wrong enemy.

    Are you really trying to suggest that this comment is racist??...omg..where's the avatar for ignorance??
    Yes Black men are fighting the wrong enemy, they should be fighting "stop and frisk", they should be fighting the fact that they will get three times the prison sentence for having a pound of crack vs the White guy with a pound of powdered cocaine, they should be fighting discrimination in the work place , mortgage market and the concerted efforts by some to portray all Black people as violent thugs, they should be fighting pathologies within the Black community.
    Yet this is racist to you...how typical...


    "You are not now, nor have you ever been, nor will you ever be a brother to white folk," he said. "And if you do not realize that, you are in serious trouble."

    Take that baby, him or her away, from the African mother, away from the African community, away from the African experience … and put them Africans over at the breasts of Yale, Harvard, University of Chicago … UCLA or UC-Berkeley,”... “Turn them into biscuits. Let them get that alien DNA all up inside their brain and they will turn on their own people in defense of the ones who are keeping their own people under oppression. Sheep dogs."

    It's racist that Black people had other Blacks that spied on them and reported to racists???


    Spies of Mississippi is a journey into the world of informants, infiltrators, and agent provocateurs in the heart of Dixie.

    The film tells the story of a secret spy agency formed by the state of Mississippi to preserve segregation and maintain “the Mississippi way of life,” white supremacy, during the 1950s and ‘60s. The Mississippi State Sovereignty Commission (MSSC) evolved from a predominantly public relations agency to a full-fledged spy operation, spying on over 87,000 Americans over the course of a decade.

    The Commission employed a network of investigators and informants, including African Americans, to help infiltrate some of the largest Black organizations like National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) and The Congress of Racial Equality (CORE). The MSSC was granted broad powers to investigate private citizens and organizations, keep secret files, make arrests, and compel testimony for a state that, as civil rights activist Lawrence Guyot says in the film, “was committed to an apartheid system that would make South Africa blush.”

    Spies of Mississippi | Documentary about How a State Agency Spied on the Civil Rights Movement in the


    He cited the writings of Bill Jones -- author of the book "Is God a White Racist?" -- as proof that white people cannot be trusted. "Bill said, 'They just killed four of their own at Kent State. They'll step on you like a cockroach and keep on movin', cause you not a brother to them.'

    Are you pretending to be this ignorant???..
    Killed (and approximate distance from the National Guard):
    Jeffrey Glenn Miller; age 20; 265 ft (81 m) shot through the mouth; killed instantly
    Allison B. Krause; age 19; 343 ft (105 m) fatal left chest wound; died later that day
    William Knox Schroeder; age 19; 382 ft (116 m) fatal chest wound; died almost an hour later in a hospital while undergoing surgery
    Sandra Lee Scheuer; age 20; 390 ft (120 m) fatal neck wound; died a few minutes later from loss of blood
    Do you think that these fatalities would have not occurred if the students were Black????...gtfo.
    The system was not to be trusted and there was overwhelming evidence to support that conclusion, but that's racist to you..really?


    He ain't white, he ain't rich, and he ain't privileged.

    And this is racist how??...Obama is not White, Rich or privileged. Again let's look at the context of this statement and then point out where it is factually incorrect or racist.
    Obama's Pastor: "Hillary ain't never been called a nigger" - YouTube


    He's not only a racist, he is anti-American... and was Obama's mentor for 20-years.

    Yeah I guess some people will think it's racist for someone to point out how Blacks, Indians and Asians were really treated in this country is racist and anti-American.
    Usually the folk who are ignorant of this country's history.


    "Economist and social commentator Thomas Sowell wrote that there was "no way that [Obama] didn't know about Jeremiah Wright's anti-American and racist diatribes from the pulpit." He wrote that Obama was "no ordinary member" of the church,..."

    There really was no need to do this, as it is common knowledge Wright is an anti-American racist... and Farrakhan... I'm not going to waste my time.
    Yep...ignorance personified and with the usual tactic employed by the less intelligent by taking quotes out of context.
    Again, you have posted some out of context snippets of what the man said and so far have failed to show him as a racist. Keep trying.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    I see you are not paying attention to the full content and context of his statements.
    Or that of his body guard.




    Okay, so you post a video of his bodyguard, who is black, to prove that his comments weren't racist?

    I don't expect everyone who is African-American to have the same opinion about Mr. Bundy.

    So, back to his comments: In my opinion, Mr. Bundy's comments were racist in nature - if not racist, then at least extremely offensive and insensitive.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Read the statement in its entirety. Even someone mentally challenged could see there was no racism in it.

    The NYT figured they would use a part of the quote to try to destroy the guy and figured once they did their dirty work, and morons who heard it from other sources like DU would spread it further and never be exposed to the truth... they'd achieve their goal.

    The NYT smeared the guy in the worst way possible. He should sue their asses off for defamation.

    What's amazing is even in context, and being able to see their was no racism... the Demokrat Soldats here keep droning out the lie.

    I used to be a Lefty, but was too honest a person to stomach the garbage the Socialists sell... and this is among the most vile garbage.

    Bon Apetit!
    Please don't fling something this stupid my way again, it can damage my brain cells just by hitting me...


    Can someone please point out anyone with an I.Q. over 50 that can rationalize the belief that some people were better off as human chattel was somehow better for them?

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Buck Ewer View Post
    The question I asked about Bundy's preface to his speech "let me tell you something else about the Negro" ; "That kind of racist language does not bother you a bit, does it...?, was strictly rhetorical ...
    I was pretty sure that this kind of racist language wouldn't bother you at all ...
    I was correct...
    Proceed zimmer...
    proceed...
    ,
    I have to disagree, Buck. I don't think Bundy's use of the term "Negro" makes him a racist anymore than it makes my own mother a racist for still using the term "Oriental" when talking about Asians. It's just ignorance, that's all.

    But the rest of Bundy's speech....yeah, that definitely had racist overtones. But again, as despicable as it was, I think it came more from ignorance and Bundy's lack of media savvy than anything else.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by reconmark View Post
    Please don't fling something this stupid my way again, it can damage my brain cells just by hitting me...


    Can someone please point out anyone with an I.Q. over 50 that can rationalize the belief that some people were better off as human chattel was somehow better for them?
    No reasonably smart, sane person believes that.

    Hell, unless I misunderstood what he said, Bundy doesn't even believe that.
    Education.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    Okay, so you post a video of his bodyguard, who is black, to prove that his comments weren't racist?
    No, not to prove his comments weren't racist, but to show what a black man who works for him on daily basis thinks.
    While it isn't definitive, he likely to know by his interaction if he was or not.
    I hope you are not like those racist who want to pathetically suggest, without evidence, that he is lying.


    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    I don't expect everyone who is African-American to have the same opinion about Mr. Bundy.
    Interesting.
    I am of the opinion that every educated non-biased adult should have the ability to discern between that which truly is and that which isn't.
    That allows for the uneducated and biased to be wrong. Or, everybody regardless of color, not being of the same opinion.



    Quote Originally Posted by Tralfamadore View Post
    So, back to his comments: In my opinion, Mr. Bundy's comments were racist in nature - if not racist, then at least extremely offensive and insensitive.
    Sounding racist does not mean they are racist. And I don't play that PC crap. Sensitive is meaningless and has nothing to do with being racist.


    As the following poster put it.
    Quote Originally Posted by rocket88 View Post
    I will say that what Bundy said does sound racist. When you take all the evidence, it's a little more nuanced than that.
    Last edited by Excon; 04-27-14 at 05:28 PM.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    … what’s going on in white America, U.S. of KKKA …

    “There’s white racist DNA running through the synapses of his or her brain tissue. They will kill their own kind, defend the enemies of their kind or anyone who is perceived to be the enemy of the milky white way of life.”

    Black men turning on black men – that is fighting the wrong enemy.

    "You are not now, nor have you ever been, nor will you ever be a brother to white folk," he said. "And if you do not realize that, you are in serious trouble."

    Take that baby, him or her away, from the African mother, away from the African community, away from the African experience … and put them Africans over at the breasts of Yale, Harvard, University of Chicago … UCLA or UC-Berkeley,”... “Turn them into biscuits. Let them get that alien DNA all up inside their brain and they will turn on their own people in defense of the ones who are keeping their own people under oppression. Sheep dogs."

    He cited the writings of Bill Jones -- author of the book "Is God a White Racist?" -- as proof that white people cannot be trusted. "Bill said, 'They just killed four of their own at Kent State. They'll step on you like a cockroach and keep on movin', cause you not a brother to them.'

    He ain't white, he ain't rich, and he ain't privileged.

    He's not only a racist, he is anti-American... and was Obama's mentor for 20-years.

    "Economist and social commentator Thomas Sowell wrote that there was "no way that [Obama] didn't know about Jeremiah Wright's anti-American and racist diatribes from the pulpit." He wrote that Obama was "no ordinary member" of the church,..."

    There really was no need to do this, as it is common knowledge Wright is an anti-American racist... and Farrakhan... I'm not going to waste my time.

    Wow.....I would expect stuff like that on Stormfront.
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