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Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly.....[W:696:1188]

Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

zimmer said:
Why not copy, paste and bold his racist comments? There is the full quote below.

The quote is not racist... so hop to it... prove your point in the simplest way possible... point out the very phrases he spouts that are racist.

Frankly, it is folks who criticize people who are not racist as being racist, and sick pricks like the NYT who quote him out of context that are on par with racists. It is an equally sick segment of society.
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If you consider the *sshole who said this,

"And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?"

... to not be racist, then we're speaking different languages. That, or you're just jerking my chain. Either way I'm done witcha.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
You hate what you believe he is. The problem with that is that he isn't what you believe.

His words were not racist and he is not a racist.
They were of concern. They were not disparaging, or of hatred, or of intolerance. And nowhere did he say his race was better.
Nothing he said is racist or racism.
Absolutely nothing.

On the other hand, your words clearly fit the definition.
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Like I said to the 'Zimmer' entity, if you say the jerk who said this...

"And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?"

... and meant it isn't a racist then we're speaking different languages.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Grand Mal said:
If you consider the *sshole who said this,

"And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?"

... to not be racist, then we're speaking different languages. That, or you're just jerking my chain. Either way I'm done witcha.
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Post the full quote and bold the text... or do you have a problem with having everything in context?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Grand Mal said:
Like I said to the 'Zimmer' entity, if you say the jerk who said this...

"And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?"

... and meant it isn't a racist then we're speaking different languages.
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I personally think that Bundy had no racist intent behind that statement.

But it was racist anyway.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

TheNextEra said:
Read the context again, God my 4 year old nephew even understood it.

It isn't the System's fault the person is on welfare. That is personal responsibility. However, just because it isn't the System's Fault, doesn't mean the system is without faults. You are claiming I said something which I didn't.

Again, I didn't say the system had no faults, I said it wasn't the system's fault the person is on welfare.
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Ok, so since we've thrown civility out the window...you'd have to be an idiot to claim it needs reform but has no fault.

:shrug:
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

mac said:
Ok, so since we've thrown civility out the window...you'd have to be an idiot to claim it needs reform but has no fault.

:shrug:
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Hey if you want to believe that idiotic remark of yours be my guest. You obviously have no personal responsibility and would prefer to just blame the system and not the person.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

TheNextEra said:
Hey if you want to believe that idiotic remark of yours be my guest. You obviously have no personal responsibility and would prefer to just blame the system and not the person.
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Cop out. Not even close to anything I've said. How does one claim to be a libertarian, even a leftist one, and claim welfare (or any govt subsistence program) is not a bad idea?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

mac said:
Cop out. Not even close to anything I've said. How does one claim to be a libertarian, even a leftist one, and claim welfare (or any govt subsistence program) is not a bad idea?
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Because I believe there should be welfare reform not welfare cut out compeltely. Why do you claim to be moderate when you pretty much suck from the right-wing Koolaid bowl? Afraid to call yourself a Con like most?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

TheNextEra said:
There isn't just ONE person or ONE side's design. Its the combined fault and mismanagement by our reps (both Dem and GOP) for letting the situation decline.

Welfare needs reform, yet the right is more concerned about abortion and keeping gays from marrying, while the left is more concerned about SSM being legal and gun laws than welfare reform.

Then you have the very large chunk of people in the U.S. that don't give a **** about ANYTHING as long as "Dancing with the Stars" is on and they can watch their porn on the internet.
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You forgot ever increasing vote buying through expansion. Care to guess which party champions that?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

j-mac said:
You forgot ever increasing vote buying through expansion. Care to guess which party champions that?
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Right, because the GOP doesn't take advantage of ANYONE do they? :roll:

Did you miss the part where I said BOTH sides were at fault?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

TheNextEra said:
Because I believe there should be welfare reform not welfare cut out compeltely. Why do you claim to be moderate when you pretty much suck from the right-wing Koolaid bowl? Afraid to call yourself a Con like most?
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Please quote me saying welfare should be cut out completely.

I'll wait...
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

mac said:
Please quote me saying welfare should be cut out completely.

I'll wait...
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Keep on waiting since I never claimed YOU did. You seem to have a bad habit of this.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

TheNextEra said:
Keep on waiting since I never claimed YOU did. You seem to have a bad habit of this.
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But I'm supposed to claim I'm a conservative, right?
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

The Mark said:
I personally think that Bundy had no racist intent behind that statement.

But it was racist anyway.
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I don't see any reason to give him the benefit of a doubt. I don't see a doubt, actually. "They abort their young children"? "They put their young men in jail"? "Because they never learned to pick cotton"? Pretty clear to me what he means.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

zimmer said:
Post the full quote and bold the text... or do you have a problem with having everything in context?
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You have issues with comprehension, apparently. Not my problem, laddybuck. Get through life the best you can working around it, all I can say.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Grand Mal said:
I don't see any reason to give him the benefit of a doubt. I don't see a doubt, actually. "They abort their young children"? "They put their young men in jail"? "Because they never learned to pick cotton"? Pretty clear to me what he means.
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It's possible I'm reading something behind/between the lines/audio that isn't there.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

reconmark said:
Yep, ok goodbye...sense a pattern here?
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Everybody already sees the pattern you have established for yourself. You are not able to argue against the facts of the topic so instead try to address the poster.
Both show failure on your part.



The Mark said:
I apparently heard something different in bundy's words than you did.
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And again. You have heard what you want to hear. Not what was said, as nothing said was racist.
His words were of concern. Not of hatred, not of intolerance and not disparaging.

As already replied to your false claims.

Excon said:
No. Then you are hearing what you want to here.
His comments were not racist.
He expressed concern, not hatred, intolerance or disparagement.
Claiming otherwise is false.

The overall gist is that of concern, not any make believe racism.

Wrong. Just simply wrong.
He expressed concern, not hatred, intolerance or disparagement.
Claiming he did is absurd.

His stating that we do not want to go back to that are not the words of a racist.
There is no misunderstanding in that.
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Grand Mal said:
Like I said to the 'Zimmer' entity, if you say the jerk who said this...

"And because they were basically on government subsidy -- so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?"

... and meant it isn't a racist then we're speaking different languages.
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You also are hearing what you want to here.
Which is exemplified by you saying we are speaking different languages.

You hate what you believe he is. The problem with that is that he isn't what you believe.

His words were not racist and he is not a racist.
They were of concern. They were not disparaging, or of hatred, or of intolerance. And nowhere did he say his race was better.
Nothing he said is racist or racism.
Absolutely nothing.

On the other hand, your words clearly fit the definition.​
 
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AJiveMan said:
Excerpts of your other posts;


Total population of the US of A 317 Million

There are 223,550,265 Whites
There are 44,456,009 Blacks
If 38.9% of whites are on welfare, that means there are 87,184,603 white welfare recipients. 38.9% was rounded off to 39%.

If 39.9% of blacks are on welfare, that means there are 26,673,605 black welfare recipients. 39.8% was rounded off to 40%.

This means that there are 60,510,990 more whites on welfare, than blacks. Forget the percentages, think of it as numbers of individuals, the population.
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:lamo:doh:lamo
And around and around we go. :slapme:
Another failed argument from you.
You are wrong again.
You clearly do not understand what you have read or what those numbers represent, even though it has already been pointed out to you by two different people.
Nothing you said above is accurate.

No there is not 39.8 percent of blacks on welfare, and no there is not 38.8 percent of whites on welfare.
You clearly do not understand the numbers that you yourself chose to use.

As you were already told, by that sites numbers, 4.1% of the population is on welfare.
Of that 4.1%, 39.8 percent is black, and 38.8 percent is white.
Those numbers were broken down and given to you, twice.

Excon said:
Let me make it easier for you.
The percentages you listed, (39% and 38%) represent the percentages of recipients of the program(s).
Not of the population as a whole. Duh!

So if we choose to use those numbers from that site, it also tells us that the total number of welfare recipients equals 4.1% of the population, which would roughly be 12,869,900. So the 38.8% and 39.8% percent would be of that number, which you then have to breakdown to percentage of the respective population.
39.8% = 5122220.2
38.8% = 4993521.2

Now break that down by respective population to get an accurate representation.
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And then also in the following post, which I even went further in breaking down the numbers for you.

Excon said:
Using the information from the site you chose we find that 4.1% of the population is on welfare.
38.8% of that 4,1% is white.
39.8% of that 4.1% is black.

4.1% of the total population of 313,873,685 = 12868821.085.

39.8% of 12868821.085 = 5,121,790.79183 of black folks receiving welfare which is 1.6318% of the whole population.
38.8% of 12868821.085 = 4,993,102.58098 of white folks receiving welfare which is 1.5908% of the whole population.

So those numbers already show that blacks receive welfare more than whites.
(again, and I can not stress this enough, this is based on that sites numbers, as I have no idea what they are using in total to come up with their welfare numbers.)

And the percentages as a whole is not what matters to this argument as it was being said that more whites receive welfare then blacks.
Which they should, being the largest segment of the population, but do not. Which is made obviously by this sites info. And by respective population breakdown, the numbers show they are disproportionately higher for blacks.


As you provided from the Census Bureau. (overlooking the lower 63% number)
White alone, percent, 2012    77.9%
Black or African American alone, 2012   13.1%​

Whites at 77.9% of the whole population of 313,873,685 = 244,507,600.615
Blacks at 13.1% of the whole population of  313,873,685 =     41,117,452.735


4,993,102.58098 of 244,507,600.615 = what %?
2.04210526315789%

41,117,452.735 of 41,117,452.735 = what %?
12.14351145038168%


So by individual demographic based information at the site you chose and rounded:
Roughly 2% of the white population is on welfare, while roughly 12.1% of the black population is on welfare.

Anybody can see those numbers are disproportionate.

This ends your math lesson.
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And I am not the only one who pointed out how you were wrong.
Yet here you are absurdly claiming otherwise.

Your position is untenable and your argument fails and is wrong and you keep showing that you do not even understand what those percentages represent, even though it has been explained to you.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Grand Mal said:
I don't see any reason to give him the benefit of a doubt. I don't see a doubt, actually. "They abort their young children"? "They put their young men in jail"? "Because they never learned to pick cotton"? Pretty clear to me what he means.
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That is you reading what you want into it.
 
Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

Excon said:
Everybody already sees the pattern you have established for yourself. You are not able to argue against the facts of the topic so instead try to address the poster.
Both show failure on your part.



And again. You have heard what you want to hear. Not what was said, as nothing said was racist.
His words were of concern. Not of hatred, not of intolerance and not disparaging.

As already replied to your false claims.

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You also are hearing what you want to here.
Which is exemplified by you saying we are speaking different languages.

You hate what you believe he is. The problem with that is that he isn't what you believe.

His words were not racist and he is not a racist.
They were of concern. They were not disparaging, or of hatred, or of intolerance. And nowhere did he say his race was better.
Nothing he said is racist or racism.
Absolutely nothing.

On the other hand, your words clearly fit the definition.​
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Yada, yada, you have been debunked not only by myself but other posters on this thread. What more should people have to say to you, you are either too ignorant or too prideful to admit you are wrong on all counts.

I already told you, there's no need to post to me, you can't say anything new that hasn't been debunked, go post at someone else.
There's no need to attack you as a poster, don't flatter yourself, that mere fact that you are trying to convince folks of your lunacy defames you more thoroughly than I could.

Now, here's what I'll do, I'll be the grown man here and allow you to throw out another final barb, hopefully you'll be quiet then.

Throw your barb, I won't waste the time replying....
 
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Excon said:
And again. You have heard what you want to hear. Not what was said, as nothing said was racist.
His words were of concern. Not of hatred, not of intolerance and not disparaging.
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I heard concern in his words.

I didn't hear hatred, intolerance or disparagement in his words.

But he was still unintentionally disparaging of black persons, via his inaccurate assumptions/knowledge about them.

As I have said for nearly 20 goddamn back-and-forth posts by this point.

Yet for some reason YOU keep hearing "bundy was a blatant racist" in what I say.
 
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reconmark said:
Yada, yada, you have been debunked not only by myself but other posters on this thread. What more should people have to say to you, you are either too ignorant or too prideful to admit you are wrong on all counts.
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Wrong, as no one has debunked anything I have said, especially you, as you are unable to debunk anything. You ridiculously argue racism from Bundy, yet were unable to present any tangible representation of it from him. That is because you can't, as what he said was of concern, not racism.


reconmark said:
I already told you, there's no need to post to me, you can't say anything new that hasn't been debunked, go post at someone else.
There's no need to attack you as a poster, don't flatter yourself, that mere fact that you are trying to convince folks of your lunacy defames you more thoroughly than I could.
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You are clearly out of touch with reality.
So what was the other membership names you have had here?
I ask because you seem so very familiar.


reconmark said:
Now, here's what I'll do, I'll be the grown man here and allow you to throw out another final barb, hopefully you'll be quiet then.

Throw your barb, I won't waste the time replying....
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That is hilariously. iLOL
You keep making this claim yet have failed to carry thorough with it. So it is just another false claim of yours, like yo saying I said Bundy's comments came from love and respect. :doh That was funny.
So that would be another pattern that you have established here. One of untruths.
So keep digging. I don't mind watching you fail, flail and drown, all at the same time.
 
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Excon said:
That is you reading what you want into it.
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Or it's you taking what you don't like out of it. It's pretty convoluted reasoning that allows one to excuse the blatant racism in his quotes. He makes no bones about it, stands by what he said. Why do you want so badly for this ignorant racist ****-kicker to be expressing some subtle sociological philosophy? He's an a**hole. He got famous by refusing to pay his BLM bills (and that's really fair to the guys who pay their bills) and now whatever crap comes out of his mouth is some kinda profound insight?
No. He's an ignorant racist *sshole who oughta be in jail for refusing to pay his grazing fees and won't that be a treat for him, there being newspapers in jails.
 
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The Mark said:
But he was still unintentionally disparaging of black persons, via his inaccurate assumptions/knowledge about them.
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No he didn't. Not at all. As his words were not racist.

And this unintentional argument is absurd on it's surface.
That involves taking his words out of context which means it is not what he said.




The Mark said:
Yet for some reason YOU keep hearing "bundy was a blatant racist" in what I say.
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No. :naughty
This is you hearing, or reading into it, that which you want.
 
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Grand Mal said:
Or it's you taking what you don't like out of it. It's pretty convoluted reasoning that allows one to excuse the blatant racism in his quotes. He makes no bones about it, stands by what he said. Why do you want so badly for this ignorant racist ****-kicker to be expressing some subtle sociological philosophy? He's an a**hole. He got famous by refusing to pay his BLM bills (and that's really fair to the guys who pay their bills) and now whatever crap comes out of his mouth is some kinda profound insight?
No. He's an ignorant racist *sshole who oughta be in jail for refusing to pay his grazing fees and won't that be a treat for him, there being newspapers in jails.
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I have provided his quotes exactly as he made them. So I have removed nothing from them.
Nor is there any blatant racism in what he said. [highlight]That is nothing but you hearing what you want to hear.[/highlight]
His words were of concern, not disparagement and they did not contain any hatred or intolerance.
But your words clearly do.
 
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