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    re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

    Quote Originally Posted by Unitedwestand13 View Post
    Is it rational for someone to desire that a confrontation has to end in a fight?
    The BLM would have started the fight.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The BLM would have started the fight.
    Well, some would call these supporters of Bundy armed domestic terrorists who use the threat of illegal violence to reach an objective. An objective they would have been willing to sacrifice women for if they would have gotten into an armed conflict with the BLM and the legal representatives of the people who were carrying out the decisions from the lawsuit the government won against a man who has been grazing his cattle illegally and reaping the financial benefits from his illegal actions.
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Sean.McDonnell View Post
    Again, I've read the ENTIRE interview, even in context its racist. I haven't read one news story covering this that didn't acknowledge the racism of the remark. Not only the times.
    Even Fux Snooze has acknowledged the racist nature of Bundy's remarks.
    Fox News Host Sean Hannity Calls Cliven Bundy's Remarks

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    gotcha. You are on the record now as saying you believe this was their only option, and the administration is so completely inept that they even ****ed up handling a basic debt collection.
    What did the Bush administration do about Bundy? Imo, it just looks like another mopping up left by Obama's predecessors.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    If anything, it's been the militia groups who have come to Bundy's aid who have tried to escalate the violence just to gain attention much like Waco, TX or Ruby Ridge several years ago. And please, don't get me wrong. IMO, the government was wrong in both cases because the agents involved used poor judgment and excessive force even though the law was on their side. But in this case, I'd say the BLM & FBI have both used good judgment and restraint. Yet, at every turn it appears they're being provoked to strike first blood.

    Bundy should just give up while he still can.
    What was the "excessive force" used by the BLM? Was it the guy who kicked the police dog and got tased in return? Or was it the rocks that the protestors were threatening to throw that the BLM guys? Or was it the closing off of a dirt road on federal land so they could round up the cows and take them to auction? As far as I can tell the BLM didn't go to seeking out the militia for a confrontation....it was Bundy and his militia pals who wanted a confrontation. They even dressed for the occasion.


    So what was the 'excessive force' some people keep claiming occurred?

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    re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The BLM would have started the fight.
    You said what the BLM did was unlawful.

    I'm waiting for you to cite what laws they were in violation of, the actual laws, not just your opinion.
    "Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Strucky View Post
    I had a feeling Bundy was going to say something outrageously stupid,anyone that hailed him as a hero should be raked over the coals.Having said that,the whole issue over his grazing cattle has always been for me about the way BLM handled the cattle round-up and not Bundy himself.
    So you think the Govts. actions had nothing to do with Bundy? The Fed "overkill" as you probably describe it comes from a history of dealing with members of similar groups with similar beliefs like Timothy McVeigh or Randy Weaver.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by iguanaman View Post
    So you think the Govts. actions had nothing to do with Bundy? The Fed "overkill" as you probably describe it comes from a history of dealing with members of similar groups with similar beliefs like Timothy McVeigh or Randy Weaver.
    Not just with these kinds of things, I saw that SWAT teams are being used way more than in the past and I think it is totally understandable. Some people in the US have huge stockpiles of weapons and if you want to do your job safely it is best to go in with full force and be happy when everybody, and yes that also includes the suspects, walks out alive rather than not go in full force and have several officers dead or wounded (with a possible escape and crime/murder spree from the person that should have been arrested).
    Former military man (and now babysitter of Donald Trump) John Kelly, is a big loud lying empty barrel!

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    What did the Bush administration do about Bundy? Imo, it just looks like another mopping up left by Obama's predecessors.
    What did the Clinton administration do? Since...you know...thats when it started

    You are embarrassing yourself yet again.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    You still haven't said what you'd do about it. So I'm just going to assume like any reasonable person you'd want the police to restore law and order, as would I, so why shouldn't the police enforce the law and restore law and order the area surrounding and including Cliven Bundy's ranch?
    You want to keep pressing your fairy tale hypothetical scenario? Your like minded buddies here apparently think your hypothetical posings are rather...whats the word they used...lame.

    Try a realistic scenario, since you and I both know quite clearly that if in your hypothetical musing the conflict involved inner city gangs this would never have come to light, you would have never said a word about it, and the administration would have ignored it. And since you already know my opinion on what they did as a means of debt collection, what makes you think I would feel any differently about collecting a debt from inner city gangs?

    Its really rather pathetic that you STILL believe that sending in an army of people to collect a debt was the right thing to do and gosh...really...it was their only option. Its especially embarrassing that you support the administration playing what you believe to be their ONLY card and getting turned out and made to look like little bitches. How did that debt collection thing work out again? How much did it cost the taxpayers to NOT collect the debt?
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