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    re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    As I learn more and more about this situation, one thing is apparent to me: For a political party that claims to be strong supporters of "the law" - because you always hear someone on the Right claiming to be "law abiding citizens", it sure is ironic to see them supporting a guy who is clearly violating federal law just to make a personal anti-government statement.

    I mean, Right-Wingers are so quick to point out, for example, how illegal aliens have violated federal law by merely crossing the U.S./Mexico border and should pay a fine if they want to remain in the U.S. But when a cattle rancher is given permission to graze a specific amount of cattle provided he pays the proper permit fee but instead chooses not to, suddenly he's trumped up as a "patriot".

    Tell me all you Republicans out there who support Bundy's cause: Where's your rigid defense of upholding the law now?
    I'm sorry,but not too many of us on the Right support Bundy or his actions as a number of us in this thread have been saying over and over and over....
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, you're saying that stupid negro needs a white boy from Holland to tell him what racism really is?
    Yes, that is exactly what I said

    I will say what my opinion is when and where I see fit and if you do not like it, so be it. I think the statements of Bundy point to a racist attitude when it comes to African Americans and their history, especially when it comes to racism and if you are of a different opinion so be it. I however am not going to change my opinion based on your bullying attitude and insulting ways.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    Perhaps I interpreted it incorrectly then.

    It seemed to make sense in context.

    Edit: See, from my perspective I see Bundy as an inarticulate fool who might be a racist (I'm not sure about the last because it might just be his foolish choice of words rather than racism).

    That's what I got from listening to the audio and reading a transcript someone posted earlier.

    Perhaps I'm giving him too much benefit of doubt.
    You might be right but I am of the opinion that it is a bit racist attitude and maybe what irritates me most is his cavalier attitude to forced servitude like slavery and that he even dares to suggest that they were better off in those days compared to how African Americans are today.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    You might be right but I am of the opinion that it is a bit racist attitude and maybe what irritates me most is his cavalier attitude to forced servitude like slavery and that he even dares to suggest that they were better off in those days compared to how African Americans are today.
    It sounded like he was partially thinking out loud.

    That is something I am notorious for doing, so I can sympathize.

    There's some thoughts that just shouldn't be voiced, because they're the kind of thing you examine and discard/revise.

    I heard him say (to paraphrase) "sometimes I wonder if black people might have been better off during slavery, because at least they had family".
    Regrettably, however well-meaning he MIGHT have been when saying that, he obviously is either unaware of how bad things were in terms of family for some/all slaves....or he doesn't care/is racist.

    The result is that he looks like a giant asshat.
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    re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:696]

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    How is it rational to spend 2 milloon dollars to collect 1 million dollars, then get bitch slapped by people whom you constantly insist are racially inferior?
    Is it rational for someone to desire that a confrontation has to end in a fight?
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    This legal dispute started under the first Bush dude, and it hasn't been resolved since so lets not forget to include Bush I, Clinton, Bush II, and Obama as so pathetic they can't resolve a debt collection from a single citizen.

    And lets not forget that the BLM did round up a lot of Bundy's cattle for the purpose of reselling them to pay his debt but the fanatics guarding him were prepared to act violently even placing women in the line of fire by using them as human shields, need I post that video again? And police decided that it wasn't worth another Waco, Texas to obtain a bunch of cattle and settle the debt.

    There's some facts for you.
    What about the fact the NYT took a quote out of contect to tried and destroy the guy with this scummy move.

    Does it bother you? Isn't it more vile than what Bundy was supposedly accused of saying?
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I believe the RW position is that the government unlawfully sprang upon an American citizn with and unauthorized para-military unit, spent 2 million dollars+ in the process and STILL didn't recover the money.
    Still waiting to hear what was unlawful, cite which laws they broke by trying to get the deadbeat lawbreaker to pay up.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by beefheart View Post
    Still waiting to hear what was unlawful, cite which laws they broke by trying to get the deadbeat lawbreaker to pay up.
    I think the disconnect here is between:
    Bundy and reality.
    Bundy and the "militia".

    See, Bundy doesn't realize or recognize the laws he broke.

    And the militia people disagree with the laws so much that they are apparently willing to resist by using human shields
    Although I personally suspect that was just one insane nutbag (NOT Bundy, in this case) and a few buddy's "strategizing" (to paraphrase the clip I saw) about how they would resist.

    I mean, they can't ALL be that insane, right? Right?!?


    And I also suspect that Bundy was kinda just along for the ride after the "militia" showed up.
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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by Wiseone View Post
    The debt is up to a million dollars, its not exactly much to the entire Federal government but its not exactly chump change either for a single fairly unweathly person to ring up either. Also a lot of law involves costs which would outweigh the benefit, and sometimes thats a good point, however the extra cost in this case was brought about due to the "Patriot movement" guys showing up. Now its more than a issue of unpaid fees its an issue of whether or not it will become acceptable to use the threat of force, the use of human shields, and the like to avoid paying one's dues to the government for breaking the law. I mean its hard to put a monetary value on the damage that would be done if we simply let these people get away with this, its practically armed rebellion at this point.

    Now I don't know exactly why the local Sheriff, who by the way is a city not a Federal employee or even a state employee but who happened to be working with the Feds, decided it was too risky to continue holding this cattle but whats clear is that he thought that the risk was too great that it compelled law enforcement to retreat. If you as a criminal become enough of a threat that you can compel law enforcement to retreat, where you can match them force-to-force I think it almost always for the sake of the rule of law that you be brought down one way or another.

    Shoot what if this was a gang that had taken over several city blocks and managed to somehow amass enough firepower and manpower to compel the police to retreat? Would you be ok if the police just left them there as is?
    If it was an inner city gang you and your ilk wouldnt say a ****ing thing about it and neither would the administration.

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    Re: Bundy questioned whether blacks were better off as slaves

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    If it was an inner city gang you and your ilk wouldnt say a ****ing thing about it and neither would the administration.
    I asked if you'd find it acceptable if the police just left it as in and backed off because the financial cost was too great to take back that part of the city.

    You dodged that question and threw a tantrum instead.

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