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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post
    No. Apparently you do not understand how words add context.
    No, I simply interpreted the same words differently.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    No, it is clear he is associating their misery with government. This is why you and others fail to quote Bundy. You're deceitful.
    I could quote bundy and say the same things I have been.

    But I'm too lazy.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post

    Yes, he is associating the "misery" of ALL BLACK PEOPLE with the government.
    Go back... post the full quote and then try to explain yourself, because this is like chasing a squirrel with a tennis raquet.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    I could quote bundy and say the same things I have been.

    But I'm too lazy.
    Yes you are... intellectually lazy and intellectually bankrupt. You expend effort accusing someone of racism but none to illustrate it is accurate and in context.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Yes you are... intellectually lazy and intellectually bankrupt. You expend effort accusing someone of racism but none to illustrate it is accurate and in context.
    There's no need to tell lies about me.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bundy
    …” and so what I’ve testified to ya’, I was in the WATTS riot, I seen the beginning fire and I seen the last fire. What I seen is civil disturbance. People are not happy, people is thinking they did not have their freedom; they didn’t have these things, and they didn’t have them.
    Bundy gives background info, talks about his experiences in a riot, what he saw, and why he thinks it took place.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bundy
    We’ve progressed quite a bit from that day until now, and sure don’t want to go back; we sure don’t want the colored people to go back to that point; we sure don’t want the Mexican people to go back to that point; and we can make a difference right now by taking care of some of these bureaucracies, and do it in a peaceful way.
    Bundy talks about how things have improved for black persons and "Mexican people" (by which I assume he meant "Latinos") - he goes on to say that we ought to trim down on the current overpowered and oversized bureaucracies which are (in his opinion) causing many of the issues we encounter today.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bundy
    Let me tell.. talk to you about the Mexicans, and these are just things I know about the negroes. I want to tell you one more thing I know about the negro.
    Beginning of the oft-quoted sections. This is where he starts comments specific to "negroes/the negro" (and to a lesser extent, "Mexicans").

    Quote Originally Posted by Bundy
    When I go, went, go to Las Vegas, North Las Vegas; and I would see these little government houses, and in front of that government house the door was usually open and the older people and the kids…. and there was always at least a half a dozen people sitting on the porch. They didn’t have nothing to do. They didn’t have nothing for the kids to do. They didn’t have nothing for the young girls to do.
    Bundy describes the situation in which he saw people who were in government housing (and probably on some kind of welfare beyond that?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Bundy
    And because they were basically on government subsidy – so now what do they do? They abort their young children, they put their young men in jail, because they never, they never learned how to pick cotton. And I’ve often wondered are they were better off as slaves, picking cotton and having a family life and doing things? Or are they better off under government subsidy?
    Bundy (continuing to speak of black persons) lays blame for abortions and high crime rates among young males on government subsidies. He goes on to say how he has oft wondered whether they (black persons) were better off during slavery, because they had work to do and a family life.

    IMO (and I suspect, in the opinion of any reasonable person), this is a faulty comparison which he ought not have uttered aloud - but it does not necessarily make him racist - only misinformed.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bundy
    You know they didn’t get more freedom, uh they got less freedom – they got less family life, and their happiness -you could see it in their faces- they were not happy sitting on that concrete sidewalk. Down there they was probably growing their turnips – so that’s all government, that’s not freedom.
    Continues to speak of the situation he witnessed in Vegas, about how bad he thinks their lot was, and how they weren't really as free as they thought they were.

    IMO this is a continuation of his faulty-assumption-based line of thinking.

    In this section and the prior few, he makes statements/reveals thinking which, IMO, shows he is concerned about the lot of black persons, but at the same time unintentionally disparages them by speaking with a broad brush (horrible analogy twisting I know) about all black persons, applying an isolated example of black persons in government housing in an area of Las Vegas to all black persons.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bundy
    Now, let me talk about the Spanish people. You know I understand that they come over here against our constitution and cross our borders. But they’re here and they’re people – and I’ve worked side-by-side a lot of them.
    Here he talks about illegal immigrants, more specifically Latinos - he has had much experience with them, working on his ranch, and appears to consider them decent people, even peers.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bundy
    Don’t tell me they don’t work, and don’t tell me they don’t pay taxes. And don’t tell me they don’t have better family structure than most of us white people. When you see those Mexican families, they’re together, they picnic together, they’re spending their time together, and I’ll tell you in my way of thinking they’re awful nice people.
    Continues talking about the above, elaborates on how he admires their family structure and closeness, which he considers an improvement over many/most family situations among white persons

    Quote Originally Posted by Bundy
    And we need to have those people join us and be with us…. not, not come to our party.
    States that he wants to (I think) have that family culture become part of our overall culture. Not sure I get that last bit about party, but meh.


    Edit: I got the transcript from here, specifically just after the embedded 3 min 14 sec video:
    http://theconservativetreehouse.com/...th-transcript/
    Last edited by The Mark; 05-14-14 at 06:40 PM.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Yeah... Sowell, a former far Lefty turned Conservative, like von Mises... a hack. And the other three "useless". Quite the character assisination coming from well... ROTFLOL... a real man of mental agility.

    A narrow mind must be a wonderful thing to have.

    The only thing you've seemingly forgotten the typical leftist bit about some Uncle...

    As you were.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    There's no need to tell lies about me.
    Congratulations. You're only the second person to post his quote in full and comment.

    IMO (and I suspect, in the opinion of any reasonable person), this is a faulty comparison which he ought not have uttered aloud - but it does not necessarily make him racist - only misinformed.
    He isn't the most eloquent man in the world, but it is clear he makes the statement to illustrate how dire things are under government assistance. He bitch slapped our government. They deserve it.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Alan Keyes is pants-on-head crazy, Sowell and Williams are intellectually dishonest as all hell. Thomas is Scalia Jr.
    ROTFLOL... The first three are what you expect from Marxists. I do believe Sowell was one. You gave Thomas a nice compliment. Scalia is a brilliant man.
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Congratulations. You're only the second person to post his quote in full and comment.


    He isn't the most eloquent man in the world, but it is clear he makes the statement to illustrate how dire things are under government assistance. He bitch slapped our government. They deserve it.
    Oh agreed.

    But he did so while unintentionally disparaging black persons, and beyond that, provided ammo to anyone who wanted take his posts out of context even slightly, in order to portray him as a blatant racist asshole, which as you know means anything he said is wrong.

    I'm just saying he could have worded his statement better, but then he's by no means a politician...
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    Re: Cliven Bundy stands by racially charged comments, ‘That’s exactly what I said’[W:

    Quote Originally Posted by The Mark View Post
    No, I simply interpreted the same words differently.

    No, you took them out of context to do so.
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